1 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,560 Mike Rugnetta: Friends, hello. And welcome to Never Post's 2 00:00:10,560 --> 00:00:16,545 summer twenty twenty six mailbag. So nice to see all of 3 00:00:16,545 --> 00:00:24,305 you. Where are you spending summer? 4 00:00:24,945 --> 00:00:26,225 Georgia Hampton: At the bottom of the ocean. 5 00:00:29,210 --> 00:00:30,730 Jason Oberholtzer: That's all royalty free by the way. 6 00:00:30,730 --> 00:00:33,290 Mike Rugnetta: You can have that. In which we respond to 7 00:00:33,290 --> 00:00:35,770 listener emails, comments, voicemails, and voice messages 8 00:00:35,770 --> 00:00:42,810 about our segments. Do you have thoughts? Do you think? Have you 9 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:46,045 considered or perhaps pondered? 10 00:00:46,045 --> 00:00:48,925 Send those thoughts, thinks, considerations, and ponderings 11 00:00:48,925 --> 00:00:52,125 to us here at Never Post, and perhaps we will make hay of 12 00:00:52,125 --> 00:00:55,085 them. No wondering, though. You can keep the wonders to 13 00:00:55,085 --> 00:00:58,940 yourself. I'm your host, Mike Renetta. Joining me today paired 14 00:00:58,940 --> 00:01:00,860 with their Slurpee flavor. 15 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:01,740 Oh. 16 00:01:01,740 --> 00:01:02,460 Jason Oberholtzer: Okay. 17 00:01:02,620 --> 00:01:03,180 Hans Buetow: R. 18 00:01:03,660 --> 00:01:06,140 Mike Rugnetta: Never Post senior producer Hans Buto pineapple 19 00:01:06,140 --> 00:01:06,780 whip. 20 00:01:06,780 --> 00:01:07,740 Hans Buetow: Because you said whip. 21 00:01:07,740 --> 00:01:09,740 Mike Rugnetta: R. Georgia, you put that tongue back in your 22 00:01:09,740 --> 00:01:12,555 mouth. Pineapple pineapple whip slaps. 23 00:01:12,795 --> 00:01:15,595 Georgia Hampton: Whip? Like a is it like cream? 24 00:01:15,595 --> 00:01:18,795 Mike Rugnetta: I don't it's like it's like sort of creamy, but I 25 00:01:18,795 --> 00:01:20,635 don't think it has any dairy in it. 26 00:01:20,635 --> 00:01:22,875 Hans Buetow: I mean, I've never had one, but it sounds delicious 27 00:01:22,875 --> 00:01:23,835 and a little bit like me. 28 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:25,440 So it's a it's a bit of me. 29 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,280 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. I just I wanna make it clear that I this 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,640 is not like I'm not assuming this is your favorite. Like, 31 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,600 there's no what I am. There's no question involved here. Yeah. 32 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:40,295 I am I'm making a definitive judgment here. 33 00:01:40,295 --> 00:01:44,455 Hans Buetow: I'm a symbol of welcome mixed into a pleasant 34 00:01:44,855 --> 00:01:45,815 refreshing drink. 35 00:01:45,815 --> 00:01:47,335 Jason Oberholtzer: Yes. This is your Enneagram. 36 00:01:47,575 --> 00:01:50,935 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Exactly. And, Hans, you are some 37 00:01:50,935 --> 00:01:54,535 mysterious percentage of nondairy creamer. Yeah. 38 00:01:54,695 --> 00:01:55,710 Hans Buetow: You're not the first to say it. 39 00:01:55,710 --> 00:01:57,630 Mike Rugnetta: Never Post producer Georgia Hampton, 40 00:01:57,710 --> 00:02:01,230 Mountain Dew Baja Blast. Yeah. 41 00:02:02,030 --> 00:02:03,870 Hans Buetow: Heavy as the head. This is 42 00:02:03,870 --> 00:02:07,790 Hans Buetow: a huge honor. Why? Can I confess something? I've 43 00:02:07,790 --> 00:02:09,790 never had a Mountain Dew Baja Blast. 44 00:02:09,790 --> 00:02:10,110 Mike Rugnetta: We know. 45 00:02:10,295 --> 00:02:13,095 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. That's why you're the whip boy. Wow. 46 00:02:14,935 --> 00:02:16,375 Hans Buetow: I'll just lay on the floor for the 47 00:02:16,375 --> 00:02:16,935 rest of 48 00:02:16,935 --> 00:02:17,335 the guests. 49 00:02:17,335 --> 00:02:18,855 Mike Rugnetta: Should we should we pause for a second so 50 00:02:18,855 --> 00:02:19,095 Hans Buetow: you could 51 00:02:19,095 --> 00:02:19,895 Mike Rugnetta: just take that in? 52 00:02:20,455 --> 00:02:22,055 Hans Buetow: I we we let's pause for an hour 53 00:02:22,055 --> 00:02:22,230 so 54 00:02:22,230 --> 00:02:22,390 can 55 00:02:22,390 --> 00:02:23,030 go get one. 56 00:02:23,030 --> 00:02:23,670 Georgia Hampton: I was about to say 57 00:02:23,750 --> 00:02:23,990 Hans Buetow: Be a 58 00:02:23,990 --> 00:02:24,470 Hans Buetow: cool kid. 59 00:02:24,470 --> 00:02:27,030 Georgia Hampton: Sure Taco Bell is open right now. Yeah. 60 00:02:27,270 --> 00:02:29,590 Mike Rugnetta: Actually, this week in particular, they might 61 00:02:29,590 --> 00:02:30,070 not be. 62 00:02:30,070 --> 00:02:31,030 Georgia Hampton: Oh, actually, 63 00:02:31,990 --> 00:02:34,230 there's there's taking a lot of heat right now. 64 00:02:34,470 --> 00:02:36,870 Hans Buetow: But you know what's always been safe is the Baja 65 00:02:36,870 --> 00:02:37,830 blast. Yeah. This 66 00:02:38,285 --> 00:02:40,045 Georgia Hampton: is a huge honor. Thank you, Mike. 67 00:02:40,045 --> 00:02:43,245 Mike Rugnetta: I was gonna say, the elite flavor. It really is. 68 00:02:43,245 --> 00:02:46,445 The PT Cruiser, really, of assortment flavors. 69 00:02:46,845 --> 00:02:49,405 Georgia Hampton: She's an icon. She's a legend, and she is the 70 00:02:49,405 --> 00:02:49,965 moment. 71 00:02:50,845 --> 00:02:53,005 Mike Rugnetta: And Never Post executive producer Jason 72 00:02:53,005 --> 00:02:55,780 Oberholzer, Pina Colada. 73 00:02:55,860 --> 00:02:59,380 Jason Oberholtzer: Hey. I like this. This is classy answer. 74 00:02:59,380 --> 00:03:00,020 Hans Buetow: Taking a trip to 75 00:03:00,020 --> 00:03:00,980 Georgia Hampton: the islands. 76 00:03:00,980 --> 00:03:03,860 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. Right? My heart was set on Blue 77 00:03:03,860 --> 00:03:10,525 Raspberry because I like like an uncanny Sure. Ungodly creation 78 00:03:10,525 --> 00:03:15,725 of man. But pina colada is it shows that you have a difference 79 00:03:15,725 --> 00:03:17,245 for me I don't hold for myself. 80 00:03:17,245 --> 00:03:18,205 And I like that. 81 00:03:18,605 --> 00:03:21,245 Hans Buetow: So I'm the working man's Jason. Is that what you're 82 00:03:21,245 --> 00:03:21,645 saying? 83 00:03:21,645 --> 00:03:23,325 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. What is a pina colada 84 00:03:23,325 --> 00:03:26,590 Hans Buetow: if not a dairy creamer and pineapple? Well, 85 00:03:28,110 --> 00:03:29,870 Hans Buetow: think famously it's coconut. 86 00:03:30,350 --> 00:03:34,430 Mike Rugnetta: Fair. Pina okay. Now, let's go through all the 87 00:03:34,430 --> 00:03:37,070 Slurpee flavors and rank them by social class. 88 00:03:39,785 --> 00:03:45,065 Hans Buetow: Right. What do we, three of us, name mister 89 00:03:45,065 --> 00:03:47,545 Rugnetta, our esteemed host? 90 00:03:47,545 --> 00:03:49,865 Mike Rugnetta: Feel free to Google list of Slurpee flavors. 91 00:03:49,865 --> 00:03:51,225 It's a delight. 92 00:03:51,225 --> 00:03:53,225 Georgia Hampton: Because I was thinking we'd have, like, a Coca 93 00:03:53,225 --> 00:03:54,985 Cola or, like, a cherry 94 00:03:55,305 --> 00:03:55,545 Hans Buetow: Right. 95 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:56,720 Mike Rugnetta: I mean, 96 00:03:56,880 --> 00:03:57,600 Jason Oberholtzer: don't none of us 97 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Mike Rugnetta: think any of us is a Coke Slurpee. 98 00:04:00,640 --> 00:04:02,720 Hans Buetow: No. Mountain Dew confetti chill? 99 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,160 Mike Rugnetta: I don't even know what that 100 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:05,280 Hans Buetow: is. Oh. 101 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,680 Jason Oberholtzer: Has matcha made its way to the Slurpee? 102 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:08,240 Yeah. 103 00:04:08,640 --> 00:04:10,160 Mike Rugnetta: A heinous thought. 104 00:04:10,215 --> 00:04:11,895 Georgia Hampton: Dubai chocolate. 105 00:04:12,055 --> 00:04:13,975 Hans Buetow: Oh, No. 106 00:04:14,535 --> 00:04:15,495 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. Sorry. 107 00:04:15,495 --> 00:04:17,255 Hans Buetow: Mike might be brisk blood orange. 108 00:04:17,495 --> 00:04:18,455 Jason Oberholtzer: Oh, hell yeah. 109 00:04:18,455 --> 00:04:20,135 Hans Buetow: That sounds really good. That's 110 00:04:21,255 --> 00:04:25,175 Georgia Hampton: Aw Come on. 111 00:04:25,255 --> 00:04:25,655 Jason Oberholtzer: I think 112 00:04:25,655 --> 00:04:28,350 that's it. He sort of like a Cormac McCarthy that gets things 113 00:04:28,350 --> 00:04:28,830 done. 114 00:04:29,630 --> 00:04:31,470 Mike Rugnetta: Sure. I'll take it. Sounds murderous, but I'll 115 00:04:31,470 --> 00:04:34,110 take it. Yeah. Alright. 116 00:04:34,190 --> 00:04:39,070 Let's ponder some orbs. I mean, listener comments. Okay. We have 117 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:40,670 something to start with. I don't know what it is. 118 00:04:40,670 --> 00:04:41,710 This is a big mystery to me. 119 00:04:42,405 --> 00:04:47,205 Speaker 7: Hi. This is Asa from Denmark. And I have a question 120 00:04:47,205 --> 00:04:51,605 about a phrase I've heard probably on a weekly basis for 121 00:04:51,605 --> 00:04:56,820 the past decade or so that I'm really curious about in terms of 122 00:04:56,820 --> 00:04:58,420 like where it originated. 123 00:04:58,500 --> 00:04:59,380 Hans Buetow: So much drama. 124 00:04:59,380 --> 00:05:00,340 Speaker 7: And the phrase is 125 00:05:00,580 --> 00:05:01,700 Jason Oberholtzer: This is how we get cancelled. 126 00:05:01,780 --> 00:05:05,380 Speaker 7: Or wherever you listen to podcasts. 127 00:05:09,045 --> 00:05:12,645 Mike Rugnetta: I have a before we answer, ask this question. I 128 00:05:12,645 --> 00:05:16,325 have a question for the group. Yeah. Is or wherever you listen 129 00:05:16,325 --> 00:05:20,005 to podcasts our don't forget to like, comment, and subscribe. 130 00:05:20,565 --> 00:05:22,405 Jason Oberholtzer: I will. Yes. Probably. 131 00:05:22,565 --> 00:05:24,370 Georgia Hampton: Yeah. Yes. Definitely. 132 00:05:24,370 --> 00:05:27,970 Mike Rugnetta: So, Asta, the answer to this is podcasts are 133 00:05:27,970 --> 00:05:33,490 distributed via a decentralized technology called RSS for really 134 00:05:33,490 --> 00:05:37,755 simple syndication. That means that there is no one place where 135 00:05:37,755 --> 00:05:42,635 you go to get your podcasts. It is not like YouTube. We do not 136 00:05:42,635 --> 00:05:47,355 upload our podcasts to the same spot. And in fact, many of the 137 00:05:47,355 --> 00:05:52,370 places that podcasters use to upload podcasts are not places 138 00:05:52,370 --> 00:05:54,530 where you go to listen to them. 139 00:05:54,530 --> 00:06:00,690 Yep. What those hosts do is they syndicate the audio that you 140 00:06:00,690 --> 00:06:05,810 upload to many different services called podcatchers, 141 00:06:06,545 --> 00:06:13,585 like Spotify, Apple Podcasts, Pocketcasts, Overcast, a bunch 142 00:06:13,585 --> 00:06:18,865 of others, Podcast Addict. But the reason people say or 143 00:06:18,865 --> 00:06:23,330 wherever you get your podcasts is because there's so many 144 00:06:23,330 --> 00:06:27,250 podcatchers that one, it would be irritating to list them all 145 00:06:27,250 --> 00:06:31,490 out by name. And two, there are probably more than we know 146 00:06:31,490 --> 00:06:32,850 about. Oh, for sure. 147 00:06:32,850 --> 00:06:36,145 There are people who are listening to this show on a 148 00:06:36,145 --> 00:06:38,545 podcatcher where we would be like, what the hell is that? 149 00:06:38,545 --> 00:06:42,225 Hans Buetow: It's a seashell that they Yeah. Yeah. Like, you 150 00:06:42,225 --> 00:06:42,465 know, 151 00:06:42,465 --> 00:06:46,225 Mike Rugnetta: you could, in theory, make a podcatcher out of 152 00:06:46,225 --> 00:06:50,170 like a raspberry pie. That's just yours in your apartment, 153 00:06:50,170 --> 00:06:52,170 and that's where you get your podcasts. 154 00:06:52,410 --> 00:06:53,850 Jason Oberholtzer: Raspberry pie slushie. 155 00:06:55,050 --> 00:06:55,770 Mike Rugnetta: Now hold on. 156 00:06:55,770 --> 00:06:59,130 Hans Buetow: So thanks for writing in from Denmark. 157 00:06:59,130 --> 00:07:01,610 Amazing. To clarify something you've been hearing for ten 158 00:07:01,610 --> 00:07:02,595 years. Thanks for asking us. 159 00:07:02,595 --> 00:07:04,755 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. But I do also wonder who was the first 160 00:07:04,755 --> 00:07:08,195 person who broke the seal on that efficient way to nod to all 161 00:07:08,195 --> 00:07:08,995 the podcasters. 162 00:07:08,995 --> 00:07:12,755 Mike Rugnetta: I imagine it was the first podcast host, Sarah 163 00:07:12,755 --> 00:07:13,155 Koenig. 164 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,640 Jason Oberholtzer: Not the second one, Conan O'Brien. 165 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:20,160 Mike Rugnetta: Certainly not the third Amy Poehler. The father, 166 00:07:20,160 --> 00:07:20,640 the son, and the 167 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:21,360 Hans Buetow: holy ghost. 168 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:26,400 Jason Oberholtzer: Oh, boy. 169 00:07:27,200 --> 00:07:29,005 Georgia Hampton: We got some very interesting submissions 170 00:07:29,005 --> 00:07:33,085 about my episode about how no one wants to hard launch their 171 00:07:33,085 --> 00:07:41,250 man, in which I explored this very numerous cynical mindset 172 00:07:41,250 --> 00:07:46,130 around women posting their boyfriends on social media. And 173 00:07:46,130 --> 00:07:48,450 the prediction there being that this guy is always gonna 174 00:07:48,450 --> 00:07:51,650 disappoint you, he's gonna ruin your life, and you might as well 175 00:07:51,650 --> 00:07:57,295 just learn that as soon as you can, not post this person ever, 176 00:07:57,375 --> 00:08:02,175 and kind of live in that cynicism. And to start us off, 177 00:08:02,255 --> 00:08:04,015 Matt Stromageddon. 178 00:08:04,815 --> 00:08:08,590 Speaker 8: As someone who is nonbinary but identified as a 179 00:08:08,590 --> 00:08:14,190 man for many years, I still find myself falling into overly 180 00:08:14,190 --> 00:08:17,790 masculine tropes. But also there are parts of, like, my my 181 00:08:17,790 --> 00:08:22,955 maleness as I find this new world of non binary ness that 182 00:08:23,195 --> 00:08:27,435 like I love and I hold onto like the idea of being mushy on 183 00:08:27,435 --> 00:08:30,955 social media about your partner. I don't know. I make anniversary 184 00:08:30,955 --> 00:08:35,140 and Valentine's Day posts on social media all the time. I 185 00:08:35,140 --> 00:08:40,100 think being mushy gushy with my spouse who I've been with for as 186 00:08:40,100 --> 00:08:43,780 of this recording almost eleven years, I like being kind of a 187 00:08:43,780 --> 00:08:45,620 hopeless romantic and mushy gushy. 188 00:08:45,620 --> 00:08:49,305 And I'm curious about the queer perspective too, which Georgia 189 00:08:49,305 --> 00:08:51,705 does mention a little bit, though this is mostly looking at 190 00:08:51,705 --> 00:08:55,465 the very straight version of it. But like, I'm curious if, like, 191 00:08:56,105 --> 00:08:59,145 men are embarrassed by their boyfriends too. If, you know, 192 00:08:59,145 --> 00:09:01,945 non binary people are embarrassed by their boyfriends 193 00:09:02,230 --> 00:09:05,350 as well? Like, I'm just curious. And then I love love. 194 00:09:05,350 --> 00:09:09,510 Right? And this just seems like I guess my bigger question is, 195 00:09:09,510 --> 00:09:13,830 like, what happened to that? Why why don't we love love in the 196 00:09:13,830 --> 00:09:17,775 same way? Why do we think there's a specific thing that 197 00:09:17,775 --> 00:09:21,775 caused this gigantic turning point? Is there hope? 198 00:09:21,935 --> 00:09:24,575 I guess, ultimately is my question. Is there hope for 199 00:09:24,575 --> 00:09:29,370 loving love and being gushy and and cheesy online? Or will there 200 00:09:29,370 --> 00:09:32,170 always be this cloud of embarrassment around it? Like, 201 00:09:32,170 --> 00:09:34,250 what can we do to rehabilitate that? 202 00:09:34,250 --> 00:09:36,970 Mike Rugnetta: Well, love is weakness, so we just can't we 203 00:09:36,970 --> 00:09:39,050 can't put that in public. She's 204 00:09:39,050 --> 00:09:39,450 Speaker 6: not allowed. 205 00:09:39,450 --> 00:09:40,650 Jason Oberholtzer: You came to the wrong place, 206 00:09:40,650 --> 00:09:41,130 Speaker 6: man. 207 00:09:41,450 --> 00:09:43,450 Hans Buetow: Heck no. Come with me. I'll protect you. 208 00:09:44,625 --> 00:09:48,145 Georgia Hampton: A big reason why I wanted to focus this 209 00:09:48,145 --> 00:09:53,425 segment so much on heterosexual women dating men is that I mean, 210 00:09:53,905 --> 00:10:00,970 that dynamic of, like, women dating men, I think, as a queer 211 00:10:00,970 --> 00:10:04,010 person, like, within queer community, can get kind of waved 212 00:10:04,010 --> 00:10:06,890 away as, like, well, obviously, you're dating a man. Like, what 213 00:10:06,890 --> 00:10:11,770 do you expect? And the issue I was discussing, I do think, is 214 00:10:11,770 --> 00:10:14,490 unique to heterosexual relationships in its specific 215 00:10:15,175 --> 00:10:21,575 nature. But I think there's also kind of across the board, you 216 00:10:21,575 --> 00:10:28,295 can find this fear that gets sort of crystallized into 217 00:10:28,295 --> 00:10:35,050 cynicism of sharing too vulnerably your love for someone 218 00:10:35,050 --> 00:10:36,250 else. Slight pitch 219 00:10:36,250 --> 00:10:37,690 Mike Rugnetta: for member content. We were talking about 220 00:10:37,690 --> 00:10:40,250 this in the paper report that we just recorded that will be out 221 00:10:40,250 --> 00:10:43,865 soon, where Alice Marwick talks about, like, there is no place 222 00:10:43,865 --> 00:10:49,145 to go online to share my actual life because doing so feels just 223 00:10:49,305 --> 00:10:52,905 too risky. Yeah. Like, there's too many shitheads out there. 224 00:10:52,905 --> 00:10:54,745 There's too many people who are gonna read it wrong. 225 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:58,920 It just feels like a kind of vulnerability or a kind of 226 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:02,840 danger that I'm not interested in. I wonder if a lot of that 227 00:11:02,840 --> 00:11:06,680 is, like, then you kinda you do like a post hoc justification of 228 00:11:06,680 --> 00:11:10,305 like, well, that's embarrassing. It's embarrassing to I don't 229 00:11:10,305 --> 00:11:12,785 wanna commit too fast. When really what you're just feeling 230 00:11:12,785 --> 00:11:17,185 is fear of being seen and of the vulnerability that comes with 231 00:11:17,185 --> 00:11:20,065 exactly the thing that Matt describes, like being mushy 232 00:11:20,065 --> 00:11:21,505 gushy in public. 233 00:11:21,745 --> 00:11:23,185 Jason Oberholtzer: Say mushy gushy one more time. 234 00:11:25,100 --> 00:11:27,820 Georgia Hampton: And I do think I think looking at this, like, 235 00:11:27,820 --> 00:11:32,700 within a queer community, it is its own thing. Like, this 236 00:11:32,700 --> 00:11:37,340 question is is coming with so many other contextual elements 237 00:11:37,340 --> 00:11:42,155 of, like, queer relationships, you know, in some top down 238 00:11:42,155 --> 00:11:47,035 circle, shall we say, is treated as no good and bad and taboo 239 00:11:47,035 --> 00:11:51,355 already. So to defend and celebrate your relationship is 240 00:11:51,355 --> 00:11:55,890 sort of part of the experience. It's part of the joy of being 241 00:11:55,890 --> 00:11:59,410 queer. So I do think it's it's unique. 242 00:11:59,410 --> 00:12:02,530 But I also you know, in the same way that, like, a fuck boy to me 243 00:12:02,530 --> 00:12:06,530 is a genderless term. Like, it it exists they're in the walls. 244 00:12:06,530 --> 00:12:11,125 They're everywhere. If there is anything that kind of kick 245 00:12:11,125 --> 00:12:18,645 started this cynicism, this fear of being too public, I think 246 00:12:18,645 --> 00:12:24,645 it's the emergence and intense power that the fuck boy has. 247 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:26,120 Speaker 6: Mhmm. Mhmm. Oh, I 248 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,200 Georgia Hampton: want all the trappings of a relationship, but 249 00:12:28,200 --> 00:12:30,920 I don't want a relationship. I wanna introduce you to my 250 00:12:30,920 --> 00:12:33,240 parents, but this isn't a relationship. I'm gonna say I 251 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:35,160 love you, but this isn't a relationship. You know, whatever 252 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,680 the case may be. Yeah. 253 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:41,295 And I think that kind of understandably, can elicit this 254 00:12:41,295 --> 00:12:44,255 reaction of like, well, then, I'm not gonna be playing this 255 00:12:44,255 --> 00:12:46,495 game at all. Like, I'm gonna beat them at their game. 256 00:12:46,735 --> 00:12:49,055 Jason Oberholtzer: You know, when you create a relationship, 257 00:12:49,055 --> 00:12:51,500 when you start or announce relationship in the light of 258 00:12:51,500 --> 00:12:53,900 day, you have to end it in the light of day, and when you do it 259 00:12:53,900 --> 00:12:57,340 in the dark, you can end it in the dark. It was easier to carry 260 00:12:57,340 --> 00:13:00,140 on with your fuckboys, regardless of their gender, 261 00:13:00,460 --> 00:13:04,825 entirely alone, and only be mortified by your own actions 262 00:13:04,825 --> 00:13:07,545 than it is now when you have to perform some of those actions 263 00:13:07,545 --> 00:13:11,305 online. Yeah. We wanna love love too, man. More or less. 264 00:13:11,625 --> 00:13:15,145 I I think this is an interesting transition to an email that 265 00:13:15,785 --> 00:13:19,800 frequent writer, Ben Sparaji, sent in about, like, when the 266 00:13:19,800 --> 00:13:24,360 public nature of putting a man on your brand is actually very, 267 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:27,560 very public. Mhmm. I said a few months ago, I saw a vertical 268 00:13:27,560 --> 00:13:30,360 video by professor Neil, who had a story about the cover of his 269 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,240 book on Canadian pop culture. He wanted the cover to feature 270 00:13:33,240 --> 00:13:37,055 Canadian pop slash rap star, Drake. Okay. 271 00:13:37,375 --> 00:13:40,975 Love you had to describe this to me. He's a multi hyphenate. But 272 00:13:41,695 --> 00:13:44,735 the publisher was against it. After a bit of back and forth, 273 00:13:44,735 --> 00:13:48,015 he asked if they were afraid Drake would be me too'd, and 274 00:13:48,015 --> 00:13:51,120 they said, yes. Professor Neil connected this corporate 275 00:13:51,120 --> 00:13:54,240 understanding of men generally causing trouble to women's 276 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:56,560 understandings of boyfriends causing trouble. 277 00:13:56,800 --> 00:14:02,205 Is this a thing? Yes. Do men just be causing trouble and it's 278 00:14:02,205 --> 00:14:04,605 dangerous for your brands to associate with them? 279 00:14:04,605 --> 00:14:10,205 Georgia Hampton: Yes. Yes. Even within straight women community, 280 00:14:10,605 --> 00:14:15,485 there is this, well, girl, like, you hit your wagon to a man. 281 00:14:15,485 --> 00:14:19,090 Like, what do you expect? That phrase, what do you expect? 282 00:14:19,650 --> 00:14:20,210 Speaker 6: Mhmm. 283 00:14:20,290 --> 00:14:23,570 Georgia Hampton: And the answer is always, well, I expect him to 284 00:14:23,570 --> 00:14:27,330 basically, like, rake me over the coals and ruin my life. 285 00:14:27,650 --> 00:14:29,970 Jason Oberholtzer: We expect him at the very least to be Drake. 286 00:14:30,355 --> 00:14:31,075 Yeah. 287 00:14:33,075 --> 00:14:36,275 Mike Rugnetta: Okay. Next up, we got some comments about the 288 00:14:36,275 --> 00:14:40,035 episode about Doom, wherein we talked about the history of the 289 00:14:40,035 --> 00:14:44,960 development of the famous first person shooter. The reasoning, 290 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:48,400 the reasons that it can run on many different systems, and how 291 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,240 it has become a platform for technological and cultural 292 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:55,200 experimentation. We got a couple really good comments. The first 293 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,805 that I'm gonna read was left on the website by Ikechukwu 294 00:14:58,805 --> 00:15:03,365 Okareke, and they write, Ring Racers is actually a bit more 295 00:15:03,365 --> 00:15:03,925 storied. 296 00:15:03,925 --> 00:15:08,965 And let me tell you listeners, no better way to start a 297 00:15:08,965 --> 00:15:09,525 comment. 298 00:15:09,525 --> 00:15:11,445 Speaker 6: No better way to start a comment. 299 00:15:11,525 --> 00:15:13,750 Jason Oberholtzer: You want the comment in the mailbag? Start 300 00:15:13,750 --> 00:15:14,150 with that. 301 00:15:14,150 --> 00:15:19,270 Mike Rugnetta: Start this way. As it is a continuation of SRB 302 00:15:19,270 --> 00:15:23,830 two kart, a racing conversion mod of the fan game Sonic 303 00:15:23,830 --> 00:15:27,510 Roboblast two, which was built on Doom Legacy and has been 304 00:15:27,510 --> 00:15:29,925 developed for over twenty five years. I've been looking into 305 00:15:29,925 --> 00:15:33,285 the early history of the Sonic fan gaming community. Listeners, 306 00:15:37,205 --> 00:15:44,160 halfway through your comment, this is what you do. And there 307 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,880 is a lot of interesting interplay between Doom and the 308 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:50,160 then Sonic research scene, which was primarily looking for 309 00:15:50,160 --> 00:15:54,160 unreleased demos and cut content where this open source principle 310 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,320 for creativity was carried over. 311 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,935 Woah. I mean, hell yes. I have no additional comments except 312 00:16:00,935 --> 00:16:06,135 hell yes, and please write in with more discoveries. And now I 313 00:16:06,135 --> 00:16:07,735 know what I'm doing with my Friday night. 314 00:16:07,735 --> 00:16:09,575 Hans Buetow: I think half of our audience just grabbed an 315 00:16:09,575 --> 00:16:12,455 electric guitar and just ripped a sick rift, and 316 00:16:12,455 --> 00:16:13,415 Mike Rugnetta: half the audience went, 317 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:14,200 Hans Buetow: what? 318 00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 6: You know 319 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:17,640 Hans Buetow: what? Second second half. 320 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,400 Georgia Hampton: Everyone was like, Sonic, I know him. 321 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,975 Mike Rugnetta: Jed Cole writes in and says, this was so fun and 322 00:16:25,975 --> 00:16:28,535 kinda inspiring as an artist listening to this. I personally 323 00:16:28,535 --> 00:16:30,775 would read and enjoy a book written by Mike about Doom's 324 00:16:30,775 --> 00:16:36,375 uses in art despite knowing that he pronounces tretus that You're 325 00:16:36,375 --> 00:16:36,855 gonna 326 00:16:36,935 --> 00:16:40,400 Jason Oberholtzer: commit to this. Yeah. Like, there has to 327 00:16:40,400 --> 00:16:42,000 be a reason this happened to you. 328 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:42,720 Mike Rugnetta: Well, I have no clue what 329 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:42,880 Speaker 6: it is. 330 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:44,640 Mike Rugnetta: So you don't know. This is just what it is in 331 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:46,960 your brain. The alternate pronunciations are a different 332 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,400 way of saying the second syllable. So I'm just wrong, but 333 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:51,280 I like it. 334 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,760 Jason Oberholtzer: That's how language works. 335 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:57,105 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Jed, thanks for writing in. We also got an 336 00:16:57,105 --> 00:17:02,145 email in from J. P. LaBretton, who I think some of you, if 337 00:17:02,145 --> 00:17:04,705 you're like real doom heads, might know. 338 00:17:04,705 --> 00:17:09,350 J. P. LaBretton is actually someone that me and Zazer talked 339 00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:12,310 about briefly in our longer interview. It didn't make its 340 00:17:12,310 --> 00:17:16,070 way into the final cut of the episode. But J. 341 00:17:16,070 --> 00:17:19,990 P. Is a game developer and wrote a really well known and kind of 342 00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:24,865 beloved blog post called Lessons of Doom, kinda talking about 343 00:17:24,865 --> 00:17:29,025 like what it is about Doom from a game design perspective that 344 00:17:29,025 --> 00:17:33,985 makes it feel like a great game. And it's a really great read. I 345 00:17:33,985 --> 00:17:37,560 highly recommend taking a look at it. We'll put a link to it in 346 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:38,360 the show notes. 347 00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:42,760 So first things first, JP, it's amazing that you found the 348 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:45,560 episode and listened to it and double amazing that you wrote 349 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:48,840 in. So thanks for the email. I'm gonna read two parts of it 350 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,505 because I think that there are things in here that are really 351 00:17:51,505 --> 00:17:54,945 fascinating just from like a game design industry 352 00:17:54,945 --> 00:17:59,585 perspective. One of the things that JP writes is, until it was 353 00:17:59,585 --> 00:18:03,460 mostly choked out by rising triple a production values, And 354 00:18:03,460 --> 00:18:06,500 for anybody who doesn't know, triple a games is just like the 355 00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:08,660 biggest, most expensive games that you know. 356 00:18:08,660 --> 00:18:11,060 Hans Buetow: That's the part of the segment that you explained. 357 00:18:11,380 --> 00:18:13,300 Mike Rugnetta: Mom my mom won't know that. My mom knows what 358 00:18:13,300 --> 00:18:14,020 Doom is. 359 00:18:14,420 --> 00:18:15,620 Georgia Hampton: And I didn't know what that was. 360 00:18:15,620 --> 00:18:18,180 Mike Rugnetta: You're like That was for Georgia. Thank you. 361 00:18:18,575 --> 00:18:20,815 Jason Oberholtzer: Mike's mom does know what s r b two cart 362 00:18:20,815 --> 00:18:21,135 is. 363 00:18:21,135 --> 00:18:24,255 Mike Rugnetta: Shit. She was like, well, I mean, some 364 00:18:24,255 --> 00:18:27,055 interesting things happened in the then Sonic research scene. 365 00:18:29,455 --> 00:18:32,480 Okay. Chopped up by rising triple a production values and 366 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,000 publisher abandonment of game mod support in the early mid two 367 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:39,520 thousands, the mod community was this incredible golden age of 368 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:43,520 amateur creativity that only really came back a decade later 369 00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:46,135 with Minecraft at all. Yeah. 370 00:18:46,135 --> 00:18:49,015 I still think we could have something like that again even 371 00:18:49,015 --> 00:18:52,135 though the tech landscape and society's overall conception of 372 00:18:52,135 --> 00:18:56,775 what a hobby is, and then in parentheses, monetizable, says 373 00:18:56,775 --> 00:19:00,770 the devil, has changed a lot since then. Cool. 374 00:19:00,770 --> 00:19:01,010 Hans Buetow: And I 375 00:19:01,010 --> 00:19:04,770 Mike Rugnetta: think that that's like there's a lot to say about 376 00:19:04,770 --> 00:19:10,050 these couple sentences, but I think it really gets to one of 377 00:19:10,050 --> 00:19:13,810 the things that is so powerful about Doom and the community 378 00:19:13,810 --> 00:19:16,415 around it, and the things that are made, and the things that 379 00:19:16,415 --> 00:19:20,415 are made with it and the way that it was designed by the 380 00:19:20,415 --> 00:19:24,895 people who made and released it, that there is both a norm and a 381 00:19:24,895 --> 00:19:30,495 little bit of a barrier to rampant monetization. And that 382 00:19:30,495 --> 00:19:36,640 makes it great and also what makes it feel impossible. And 383 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,520 that's something that JP goes on to sort of talk a little bit 384 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:43,040 more about in the next part of the email where he writes, Doom 385 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:46,005 and Quake together are, I think, an ideal lens for understanding 386 00:19:46,005 --> 00:19:49,525 the evolution of the cultural political economy of game 387 00:19:49,525 --> 00:19:55,285 development. Listeners. And more broadly, how capital influences 388 00:19:55,285 --> 00:19:56,485 creative labor. 389 00:19:56,485 --> 00:19:59,940 This is a such an interesting point. CarMax engines brought 390 00:19:59,940 --> 00:20:03,780 into focus the idea that game technology, which birthed the 391 00:20:03,780 --> 00:20:08,660 GPU market and thus the blueprint of all modern consumer 392 00:20:08,660 --> 00:20:15,075 technology development. Woah. Woah. Has always had this 393 00:20:15,075 --> 00:20:19,875 capital intensive imperative to put more money on the screen, 394 00:20:20,115 --> 00:20:23,875 which is basically like the maybe correct, maybe incorrect 395 00:20:23,940 --> 00:20:28,660 received wisdom that what game players want to see is a video 396 00:20:28,660 --> 00:20:30,580 game that looks like a movie, essentially. 397 00:20:30,580 --> 00:20:33,460 Do they actually want that? Big question mark. And with the PS 398 00:20:33,460 --> 00:20:36,715 five gen, we're more or less at the end of history of where 399 00:20:36,715 --> 00:20:39,195 everything about computing architecture is now about 400 00:20:39,195 --> 00:20:43,515 sucking unbelievable amounts of data off storage and into GPU 401 00:20:43,515 --> 00:20:48,810 RAM and splatting it on screen maximally random accessibly. And 402 00:20:48,810 --> 00:20:52,810 that these gobs or wads, if you will, of data are by necessity 403 00:20:52,810 --> 00:20:56,170 the product of immense hierarchies of human labor that 404 00:20:56,170 --> 00:20:58,330 I've spent my whole career inside and progressively 405 00:20:58,330 --> 00:21:02,125 alienated by. And all the economics of game development 406 00:21:02,125 --> 00:21:05,725 are downstream of that bottomless need for, not a fan 407 00:21:05,725 --> 00:21:07,725 of this word, but content. 408 00:21:08,525 --> 00:21:11,165 And maybe deeper critical awareness of that tech 409 00:21:11,165 --> 00:21:14,045 determinist imperative that started with Carmack realizing 410 00:21:14,045 --> 00:21:17,590 he could do a trick with EGA registers could shine a light on 411 00:21:17,590 --> 00:21:20,790 alternatives, all the way up to imagining what game development 412 00:21:20,790 --> 00:21:23,990 and amateur creative work would look like in a post capitalist 413 00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:28,630 world. A quote, people's history of doom or general talk about 414 00:21:28,630 --> 00:21:32,150 creativity and capital intensity that I'd like to do someday. 415 00:21:33,405 --> 00:21:37,085 Hell, yeah. A thousand percent, hell, yeah, please. And I think 416 00:21:37,085 --> 00:21:40,685 just such a great way of framing what feels like a tension 417 00:21:40,685 --> 00:21:44,365 between like Doom, especially the newer Dooms, we only talked 418 00:21:44,365 --> 00:21:47,540 a little bit about, does a great job of making a game that is 419 00:21:47,540 --> 00:21:51,620 very fun, and feels great, and looks good. 420 00:21:51,940 --> 00:21:56,100 But like, so much of why I feel alienated by triple a production 421 00:21:56,100 --> 00:21:58,900 is that it really does just feel like an expensive magic trick. 422 00:21:58,995 --> 00:22:01,875 They're like, I that I'm not interested in firing a gun for 423 00:22:01,875 --> 00:22:04,595 thirty hours. So a lot of them are just like an expensive 424 00:22:04,595 --> 00:22:08,995 visualizer for firing a gun for, you know, thirty to a hundred 425 00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:15,510 hours. It's like, I'm okay. And the more independent development 426 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:18,470 where it's like, there are interest really fascinating 427 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:23,350 stories and mechanics and, like, technological systems being 428 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:26,755 developed so that people can play increasingly complex and 429 00:22:26,755 --> 00:22:31,795 interesting games on not something that costs $500. 430 00:22:31,875 --> 00:22:35,475 Because in 2026 and beyond, that's just gonna be 431 00:22:35,475 --> 00:22:39,160 increasingly difficult to do. Yep. But people still wanna have 432 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:42,760 interesting, entertaining, interactive media experiences. 433 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:47,160 Hans Buetow: Next up, we are headed to the happiest place on 434 00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,880 Earth to find some of the happiest things on Earth because 435 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,760 we're talking about hunting trash in Disneyland where 436 00:22:53,195 --> 00:22:57,915 contributing producers, Rose and Maggie, talked about the process 437 00:22:57,915 --> 00:23:03,515 of looking for things that you love in person or online, and if 438 00:23:03,515 --> 00:23:06,315 there's an emotional difference between those things, plus what 439 00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:08,950 it's like to be at Disneyland. And we got a couple of emails. 440 00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:14,390 The first was from Violet McNeil who says, as far back as I can 441 00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:19,270 remember, I've been enamored by small shiny objects. Violet is, 442 00:23:19,270 --> 00:23:21,095 I forgot to say, a corvid. 443 00:23:21,095 --> 00:23:23,415 Georgia Hampton: A corvid. Maybe a magpie. 444 00:23:23,415 --> 00:23:27,015 Hans Buetow: You know? I'm not gonna not gonna judge. Violet 445 00:23:27,015 --> 00:23:30,215 says, I used to pick up sequins up off the pavement and keep 446 00:23:30,215 --> 00:23:33,415 them in a little box. When I was maybe five, my mom took me, 447 00:23:33,900 --> 00:23:37,020 definitely a magpie, into a crystal shop, one of those 448 00:23:37,020 --> 00:23:39,340 hippie shops that leave you smelling of incense for hours 449 00:23:39,340 --> 00:23:43,740 after, and I bought a little tumbled piece of rose quartz. 450 00:23:43,820 --> 00:23:47,580 Since then, at every museum gift shop, market stall, and tourist 451 00:23:47,580 --> 00:23:51,875 village, I have an eye out for a place I can buy a little 452 00:23:51,875 --> 00:23:53,715 crystal, usually one per visit. 453 00:23:53,715 --> 00:23:56,675 I have over a 100 now in display shelf I made myself from 454 00:23:56,675 --> 00:23:58,755 cardboard and papier mache. 455 00:23:58,755 --> 00:24:00,675 Speaker 6: Woah. Jed, 456 00:24:00,675 --> 00:24:03,320 Mike Rugnetta: looking forward to your email about that. Yeah. 457 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,840 Hans Buetow: I'll see. There have been some crystals that I 458 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,480 knew I wanted but hadn't found yet, says Violet. And I would 459 00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:14,680 occasionally look online or on eBay where they could be found 460 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:17,805 in multitudes for cheaper than the shipping cost. But when I 461 00:24:17,805 --> 00:24:20,605 looked at the images online, I realized it would feel 462 00:24:20,605 --> 00:24:24,925 profoundly wrong to buy them this way. First, most of my 463 00:24:24,925 --> 00:24:26,525 crystals are only an inch or so big. 464 00:24:26,525 --> 00:24:29,725 It would feel kinda silly having just one shipped across the 465 00:24:29,725 --> 00:24:33,520 country for me. But also the joy of buying a crystal is so much 466 00:24:33,520 --> 00:24:36,000 more than the item itself. Ding. Ding. Ding. 467 00:24:36,000 --> 00:24:39,520 Ding. Mhmm. Each one is a little souvenir of the place I bought 468 00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,560 it from. I could recall the memory of where I got each one 469 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:47,305 from over fifteen years, where I could spend ages pouring over 470 00:24:47,305 --> 00:24:50,985 little boxes of gems, making sure to find the one that looks 471 00:24:50,985 --> 00:24:54,345 the most interesting and unique even especially in parentheses 472 00:24:54,345 --> 00:24:58,025 if it's a little uglier and cheaper than the pretty ones sit 473 00:24:58,025 --> 00:25:01,740 next to it. I like to pick the one that speaks to me. 474 00:25:02,460 --> 00:25:05,500 In most of the online shops you don't even see an image of the 475 00:25:05,500 --> 00:25:09,100 crystal you're buying. Who would bother taking display photos of 476 00:25:09,100 --> 00:25:14,545 every single tiny rock they sell? Anyway, tldr, I like 477 00:25:14,545 --> 00:25:16,545 collecting pretty rocks and buying online would suck the fun 478 00:25:16,545 --> 00:25:18,465 out of it entirely. I've attacked a picture of my crystal 479 00:25:18,465 --> 00:25:21,185 display. If you'd like to see it and you do wanna see it, we'll 480 00:25:21,185 --> 00:25:21,905 put it in the show notes. 481 00:25:21,905 --> 00:25:22,625 Mike Rugnetta: It's pretty sick. 482 00:25:22,625 --> 00:25:24,385 Jason Oberholtzer: It's Violet. Violet, 483 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,880 Georgia Hampton: I I do the exact same thing. I have a 484 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,680 million crystals. I love buying them. I would only buy them in 485 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:30,160 person. 486 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,400 Hans Buetow: Cooper Mulderry follows up with an email. The 487 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:35,520 friction touched upon in the Disney pin segment reminds me of 488 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:35,680 a 489 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:36,080 Hans Buetow: lot of the 490 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:41,455 Hans Buetow: friction lost in online gaming. Yes. Many games 491 00:25:41,455 --> 00:25:44,415 in the early two thousands had split screen and local area 492 00:25:44,415 --> 00:25:48,255 network LAN capabilities that encourage people to be all in 493 00:25:48,255 --> 00:25:51,535 the same room and play together. I would often throw LAN parties 494 00:25:51,535 --> 00:25:54,255 for my birthday as a teen, landing Halo Star Wars 495 00:25:54,255 --> 00:25:57,990 Battlefront and Starcraft. We'd all be in the same room. 496 00:25:57,990 --> 00:26:00,710 We'd have to organize, connect our routers, network cables, and 497 00:26:00,710 --> 00:26:05,270 Xboxes, and we'd each make a profile on each system. Now in 498 00:26:05,270 --> 00:26:07,350 order to land on modern consoles, each player must make 499 00:26:07,350 --> 00:26:10,150 a Microsoft account, give their email, and set up a gamer tag to 500 00:26:10,150 --> 00:26:14,125 do so. This seems to me to be trying to prevent local area 501 00:26:14,125 --> 00:26:17,245 networks and in person gaming. Many multiplayer games don't 502 00:26:17,245 --> 00:26:20,445 even offer split screen functionality. I've always 503 00:26:20,445 --> 00:26:22,605 thought this has contributed to the perceived and sometimes 504 00:26:22,605 --> 00:26:26,150 actual toxicity and aggressive nature of many online gaming 505 00:26:26,150 --> 00:26:26,710 circles. 506 00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:30,470 We are isolated from the people we play with. There is no social 507 00:26:30,470 --> 00:26:34,390 cost for being a real jerk. In the same way that Rose and 508 00:26:34,390 --> 00:26:37,430 Maggie could have just bought the Disney trash can pin online 509 00:26:37,705 --> 00:26:40,025 and skipped human interaction in the trade meets, I have found 510 00:26:40,025 --> 00:26:42,425 that in person gaming creates a more welcoming and friendly 511 00:26:42,425 --> 00:26:46,665 environment as opposed to online matchmaking. Hell yeah. I have 512 00:26:46,665 --> 00:26:48,025 so many things to say about this. 513 00:26:48,025 --> 00:26:50,185 Mike Rugnetta: I I think Cooper is a thousand percent right. 514 00:26:50,185 --> 00:26:53,300 Yes. Yeah. It's exactly what JP wrote about sort of. Right? 515 00:26:53,300 --> 00:26:56,820 They Yeah. Video game developers who want to maximize their 516 00:26:56,820 --> 00:27:00,340 economics will do not want two people playing one game. They 517 00:27:00,340 --> 00:27:02,020 want two people playing two games. 518 00:27:02,500 --> 00:27:05,700 Hans Buetow: Yep. I think there's one group that makes 519 00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,620 some exceptions to this, and that's Nintendo. 520 00:27:07,620 --> 00:27:10,875 Mike Rugnetta: 100%. Mario Kart. Splatoon, actually, you can do 521 00:27:11,035 --> 00:27:15,835 you do play online and does have a massive online player base. 522 00:27:15,835 --> 00:27:18,155 Hans Buetow: Nintendo sports, like, there are a couple of 523 00:27:18,155 --> 00:27:20,395 things that are intended, and that's all kinetic. So you're 524 00:27:20,395 --> 00:27:22,475 supposed to move. You're supposed to be in the room with 525 00:27:22,475 --> 00:27:25,840 somebody while you do it. So this does live in some small 526 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:30,320 places. But, yeah, it all goes back to Love Island. 527 00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:35,040 Jason Oberholtzer: Oh, no. It does not. It says here we need 528 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:38,560 to go to commercials. So Yeah. See you guys on the other side 529 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:39,040 of this break. 530 00:27:39,195 --> 00:27:41,835 Mike Rugnetta: Okay, Hans. Get started. Love Island. Lay it on 531 00:27:41,835 --> 00:27:42,395 us. Actually, 532 00:27:43,115 --> 00:27:46,875 Hans Buetow: Love Island should be called Accountability Island. 533 00:27:59,410 --> 00:28:02,370 Mike Rugnetta: Okay. We're back. Georgia, what did you make our 534 00:28:02,370 --> 00:28:04,450 listeners do? How dare you? 535 00:28:04,450 --> 00:28:10,455 Hans Buetow: Well, I somehow created the most discourse I 536 00:28:10,455 --> 00:28:11,415 think we've ever 537 00:28:11,415 --> 00:28:14,535 Mike Rugnetta: created about anything strangest place 538 00:28:14,535 --> 00:28:16,055 Speaker 6: on the Internet. Yeah. 539 00:28:16,775 --> 00:28:21,815 Georgia Hampton: Yeah. So this was member content, wasn't it? 540 00:28:21,815 --> 00:28:23,015 Jason Oberholtzer: Yes. This was member content. 541 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,680 Georgia Hampton: So another plug for member content. We had an a 542 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,160 whole episode where we discussed the event planning app, 543 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:36,855 Partifle. And during that conversation, I had an evil 544 00:28:36,855 --> 00:28:43,895 idea, which is that if anyone wanted to submit a comment about 545 00:28:43,895 --> 00:28:48,775 what we were talking about, they had to do so through an event I 546 00:28:48,775 --> 00:28:50,135 created on Partifle. 547 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,120 Mike Rugnetta: For Hans' friend, Tinky Tiny. 548 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,880 Hans Buetow: Who knows how to play lefties, righties? 549 00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:55,280 Speaker 6: If you 550 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:57,440 Hans Buetow: were a member, you would know what that means. 551 00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,760 Mike Rugnetta: No. You wouldn't. You would absolutely know. 552 00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:01,600 Hans Buetow: In fact, none of us know what that means. 553 00:29:04,605 --> 00:29:07,565 Georgia Hampton: But I created an event called Tinky Tiny's b 554 00:29:07,565 --> 00:29:12,045 day bash on the July 4, because Tinky Tiny is nothing if not a 555 00:29:12,045 --> 00:29:19,790 patriot. 38 people RSVP'd that they were going to this party. I 556 00:29:19,790 --> 00:29:25,390 got seven maybes and an unknown number of nos. It would not show 557 00:29:25,390 --> 00:29:34,465 me that. And a very vibrant comment community of, by my last 558 00:29:34,465 --> 00:29:40,705 check, 43 messages in this little event, many of which were 559 00:29:40,705 --> 00:29:47,360 yelling at me and other people doing a fabulous play pretend of 560 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,360 telling me why they couldn't come. 561 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:52,080 My favorite of which was that someone said they had to drive 562 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:56,000 their grand aunt to her jujitsu class, which then prompted 563 00:29:56,000 --> 00:30:01,405 someone else to say that they were teaching jujitsu to a rival 564 00:30:01,405 --> 00:30:04,045 of the Grand Anne and also couldn't. I 565 00:30:04,445 --> 00:30:06,445 Mike Rugnetta: love the, the stories in the Never Post 566 00:30:06,445 --> 00:30:07,885 extended universe. Yes. 567 00:30:07,885 --> 00:30:10,205 Hans Buetow: So good. I am nothing if not someone 568 00:30:10,205 --> 00:30:14,845 encouraging lore creation around this community we've built. 569 00:30:15,530 --> 00:30:17,610 Georgia Hampton: Now when we talked about Partifull, we were 570 00:30:17,610 --> 00:30:21,610 discussing it as kind of this unfortunate sequel to something 571 00:30:21,610 --> 00:30:28,010 like Facebook events. So to start us off, Angus Dingwall, 572 00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:28,650 who was going 573 00:30:28,970 --> 00:30:29,850 Mike Rugnetta: Thank you, Angus. 574 00:30:29,930 --> 00:30:33,075 Georgia Hampton: Said, this is the problem of modern app 575 00:30:33,075 --> 00:30:38,515 creation. All focus on UI, no real thought about UX. Ends up 576 00:30:38,515 --> 00:30:41,315 with a thing that feels like it was made by someone who has 577 00:30:41,315 --> 00:30:44,755 never been to a party or even met another human being. 578 00:30:44,915 --> 00:30:46,780 Hans Buetow: Can someone explain to me the difference between UI 579 00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:47,500 and UX? 580 00:30:47,500 --> 00:30:50,540 Mike Rugnetta: UI is like the stuff that you look at, and UX 581 00:30:50,540 --> 00:30:53,020 is how it feels to use that stuff. 582 00:30:53,340 --> 00:30:56,860 Georgia Hampton: As Annabelle August, who was also going to 583 00:30:56,860 --> 00:30:57,180 the event. 584 00:30:57,535 --> 00:30:58,655 Speaker 6: Thank you, Annabelle. 585 00:30:59,135 --> 00:31:02,015 Georgia Hampton: As they also commented, there's this, like, 586 00:31:02,015 --> 00:31:06,735 built in personality to Partifle through the way the app is 587 00:31:06,735 --> 00:31:11,780 designed. That I'm sure is meant to create this kind of like, 588 00:31:12,100 --> 00:31:15,220 what's up party goer? Like, you're going to an awesome 589 00:31:15,220 --> 00:31:17,860 event. But it feels very forced 590 00:31:18,100 --> 00:31:18,500 Jason Oberholtzer: Mhmm. 591 00:31:18,500 --> 00:31:22,420 Georgia Hampton: And weird. Next, we have Morg, who also 592 00:31:22,420 --> 00:31:23,860 went to Tinky Tiny's B Day Bash. 593 00:31:23,860 --> 00:31:24,820 Mike Rugnetta: Thanks for coming, Morg. 594 00:31:24,820 --> 00:31:28,285 Georgia Hampton: Who writes, the method used to advertise an 595 00:31:28,285 --> 00:31:32,125 event someone's hosting can also be used as a way to abdicate 596 00:31:32,125 --> 00:31:36,765 responsibility and not be direct about who they don't want there. 597 00:31:37,085 --> 00:31:40,950 Like using a Facebook event page and inviting people they know 598 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:44,710 won't see it because they don't use Facebook anymore. To have 599 00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:49,190 the out of, well, I invited you, didn't you see it? Versus being 600 00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:52,630 direct with them. People want the plausible deniability. 601 00:31:53,655 --> 00:31:55,975 Mike Rugnetta: The secret thing of, like, I don't actually want 602 00:31:55,975 --> 00:32:00,375 to have this event, but I feel like I have to. Or, like, I 603 00:32:00,375 --> 00:32:02,455 wanna have this event for a small number of people, but I 604 00:32:02,455 --> 00:32:04,535 can't just invite those people. 605 00:32:04,535 --> 00:32:05,255 Georgia Hampton: I think that's the 606 00:32:05,255 --> 00:32:05,735 Hans Buetow: true thing. 607 00:32:05,735 --> 00:32:06,135 Georgia Hampton: Because I was 608 00:32:06,135 --> 00:32:07,815 Hans Buetow: about to be like, you're being very generous. 609 00:32:07,930 --> 00:32:10,650 Georgia Hampton: And that I think it's a sort of, you know, 610 00:32:10,650 --> 00:32:12,810 political nightmare of friends. 611 00:32:13,530 --> 00:32:15,530 Jason Oberholtzer: I don't live my life like you people do. 612 00:32:15,530 --> 00:32:17,610 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. I don't that's yeah. I just wouldn't do 613 00:32:17,610 --> 00:32:20,010 it. Yeah. So sorry that 614 00:32:20,010 --> 00:32:21,370 Jason Oberholtzer: it feels like this to you, though. 615 00:32:22,655 --> 00:32:24,895 Mike Rugnetta: Oh, the next one is from James Bolanbaugh. That's 616 00:32:24,895 --> 00:32:26,015 my friend James. 617 00:32:26,895 --> 00:32:28,975 Georgia Hampton: James has this to say, who was also going to 618 00:32:28,975 --> 00:32:30,255 Tinky Tiny's birthday party. 619 00:32:30,255 --> 00:32:31,855 Mike Rugnetta: He better. Of course. Thank 620 00:32:33,775 --> 00:32:37,870 Georgia Hampton: James writes, only Partifull RSVP of my life. 621 00:32:38,990 --> 00:32:42,350 I'm honored. It's an honor, James. I never opened their 622 00:32:42,350 --> 00:32:46,430 texts because they look exactly like fishing. Unknown number, 623 00:32:46,665 --> 00:32:48,905 short link, vague urgency. 624 00:32:48,905 --> 00:32:49,385 Jason Oberholtzer: Yes. 625 00:32:49,385 --> 00:32:51,625 Georgia Hampton: Congrats to Party Palooza for making party 626 00:32:51,625 --> 00:32:54,425 invites indistinguishable from a scam. 627 00:32:54,425 --> 00:32:59,145 Hans Buetow: Hard yes. Hard yes. All invites all invites software 628 00:32:59,145 --> 00:33:02,520 and apps and invites are this. I know I can't open any 629 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:05,720 Mike Rugnetta: of them. Too many emojis and shapes. Cool. 630 00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:08,120 Georgia Hampton: Yeah. Again, it's the it's the personality. 631 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:10,680 It's the personality. It feels fake. It feels like a threat. 632 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:14,760 Moving on, we have another message from Cooper Mulderry. 633 00:33:15,105 --> 00:33:16,865 Jason Oberholtzer: Second time in the bag. 634 00:33:16,865 --> 00:33:19,825 Georgia Hampton: Cooper's back, who also went to the birthday 635 00:33:19,825 --> 00:33:20,465 bash. 636 00:33:20,545 --> 00:33:21,825 Mike Rugnetta: Good. Thanks for coming. 637 00:33:21,825 --> 00:33:24,385 Georgia Hampton: I'm surprised you all missed the most wild 638 00:33:24,385 --> 00:33:29,190 feature of this app, the crush feature, where you can say you 639 00:33:29,190 --> 00:33:33,430 have a crush on another party goer to an event you RSVP'd to. 640 00:33:33,430 --> 00:33:37,350 Wow. And it will only tell them if they crush on you too. 641 00:33:37,350 --> 00:33:38,230 Hans Buetow: Oh, god. 642 00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:40,390 Mike Rugnetta: That is psychotic. 643 00:33:40,390 --> 00:33:40,985 Speaker 6: That's so 644 00:33:40,985 --> 00:33:44,265 Georgia Hampton: bleak. I swear, it's like everything I think 645 00:33:44,265 --> 00:33:47,945 we've we're slowly coming to a conclusion that everything is 646 00:33:47,945 --> 00:33:50,425 both gambling and dating apps. 647 00:33:50,425 --> 00:33:52,585 Speaker 6: Right. Which is itself a form 648 00:33:52,585 --> 00:33:53,145 Hans Buetow: of gambling. 649 00:33:53,145 --> 00:33:55,465 Speaker 6: Yeah. It's just gambling again. Yeah. It's just 650 00:33:55,465 --> 00:33:55,945 roulette. 651 00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:59,400 Jason Oberholtzer: And yet Gen z has no money and does not have 652 00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,960 sex. 653 00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,360 Hans Buetow: Yeah. And we wonder why. 654 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:08,040 Georgia Hampton: This is, like, a Machiavellian, like, evil evil 655 00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:12,085 thing. I have never known anyone to at least admit that they've 656 00:34:12,085 --> 00:34:15,845 used this, but I don't think anyone I know has ever used this 657 00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:16,245 feature. 658 00:34:16,245 --> 00:34:16,805 Hans Buetow: It is 659 00:34:16,805 --> 00:34:17,765 Georgia Hampton: so unimaginable 660 00:34:17,765 --> 00:34:21,285 Mike Rugnetta: to I'm gonna go I'm gonna go RSVP and crush on 661 00:34:21,285 --> 00:34:21,605 James. 662 00:34:22,850 --> 00:34:24,930 Georgia Hampton: I also wanted to say that many people who 663 00:34:24,930 --> 00:34:30,370 commented on Tinky Tiny's b day bash also offered other event 664 00:34:30,370 --> 00:34:36,050 planning softwares or apps to use. So I've amassed a 665 00:34:36,050 --> 00:34:41,175 collection of them. The Knot. We have using a separate Discord 666 00:34:41,175 --> 00:34:44,615 server for planning parties within your friend group. Wow. 667 00:34:44,615 --> 00:34:48,935 We have evite.com, which does not have an app, only exists as 668 00:34:48,935 --> 00:34:53,860 a website. We have Meetup. We have just the the desire to 669 00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:55,380 bring back forums. 670 00:34:55,540 --> 00:34:58,580 Hans Buetow: Sure. Like Socrates? 671 00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:02,820 Hans Buetow: Yeah. Yes. The forum. The salon. 672 00:35:03,380 --> 00:35:04,980 Jason Oberholtzer: Who among you will hang out with me? 673 00:35:06,045 --> 00:35:09,245 Georgia Hampton: Yes. And then finally, we have Paperless Post. 674 00:35:09,485 --> 00:35:11,885 Jason Oberholtzer: Well, what a treat. I hope the Tinky Tiny 675 00:35:11,885 --> 00:35:13,485 feels properly feted. 676 00:35:13,485 --> 00:35:17,085 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. I do too. Alright. Next up, we got some 677 00:35:17,085 --> 00:35:20,765 mail in about the Brain Rot segment. In this segment, I 678 00:35:20,765 --> 00:35:26,570 talked with academic Emily Owens about brain rot as a complex of 679 00:35:26,570 --> 00:35:31,370 media that exists online in order to kind of defeat the 680 00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:36,875 pressures of productivity amongst teenagers in particular 681 00:35:36,875 --> 00:35:40,555 is who Emily studied, but potentially everybody. 682 00:35:40,555 --> 00:35:44,715 Sort of an answer to the Internet and all of the media on 683 00:35:44,715 --> 00:35:49,355 its insistence that you always be either consumer or laborer, 684 00:35:49,940 --> 00:35:52,660 and brain rot as a way of saying, like, no. You could just 685 00:35:52,660 --> 00:35:55,060 be a an idiot. That's fine. 686 00:35:55,460 --> 00:35:55,700 Jason Oberholtzer: Sounds 687 00:35:55,780 --> 00:35:57,060 Hans Buetow: There's a weird third option. 688 00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:59,220 Mike Rugnetta: Be a big old dummy. Yeah. The secret the 689 00:35:59,220 --> 00:36:02,420 secret third option is is head empty. Yeah. 690 00:36:03,540 --> 00:36:05,875 Jason Oberholtzer: And I think this email in particular is 691 00:36:05,875 --> 00:36:08,755 downstream of a couple subsequent conversations on 692 00:36:08,755 --> 00:36:11,715 other mailbags. One of which I think we were responding to 693 00:36:11,715 --> 00:36:16,035 someone asking if they're, like, crossword habit was brain rot or 694 00:36:16,035 --> 00:36:18,195 anything. Yeah. We got, like, deep into the weeds of, you're 695 00:36:18,195 --> 00:36:18,915 allowed to just, like 696 00:36:19,370 --> 00:36:22,330 Hans Buetow: You can enjoy the task that isn't productive. 697 00:36:22,330 --> 00:36:23,930 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. Exactly. You're allowed to. 698 00:36:23,930 --> 00:36:26,650 Mike Rugnetta: But a crossword is productive, so no. 699 00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:28,730 Jason Oberholtzer: Sorry. Anyway That's 700 00:36:28,730 --> 00:36:31,210 Hans Buetow: a laborer. It depends on if it supports your 701 00:36:31,210 --> 00:36:32,765 streak or not. Then is 702 00:36:32,765 --> 00:36:36,205 Mike Rugnetta: it labor or not? This is what Ross Lewallen says. 703 00:36:36,205 --> 00:36:38,445 Right? Ross says, how do you never post? What habits or 704 00:36:38,445 --> 00:36:41,005 techniques do you use that go against or thwart the design of 705 00:36:41,005 --> 00:36:41,805 the platform? 706 00:36:42,125 --> 00:36:45,640 If you don't know, I regret to inform you that LinkedIn games 707 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:47,240 are actually pretty good. 708 00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:49,000 Hans Buetow: Oh, Georgia's waving her hands and backing 709 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:49,400 away from 710 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,200 Hans Buetow: the microphone. To believe this. I refuse to 711 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:53,000 believe this. 712 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:55,160 Mike Rugnetta: Ross says I play them alongside New York Times 713 00:36:55,160 --> 00:36:58,200 games most evenings. Something I don't like about them, however, 714 00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:01,955 is that they automatically track your streaks, daily wins in a 715 00:37:01,955 --> 00:37:05,235 row Look at that. In a way that annoys me. I don't like the 716 00:37:05,235 --> 00:37:08,995 influence keeping a streak alive has on what should be a fun 717 00:37:08,995 --> 00:37:11,955 casual thing for me. So that's you are choosing to not be 718 00:37:11,955 --> 00:37:12,435 laborer. 719 00:37:13,190 --> 00:37:17,910 Choosing to be idiot. So for most of the games, I 720 00:37:17,910 --> 00:37:21,110 intentionally play them all the way up until the last click or 721 00:37:21,110 --> 00:37:27,510 tap, and then I stop. Oh. I get to know that I completed the 722 00:37:27,510 --> 00:37:27,750 puzzle, 723 00:37:41,150 --> 00:37:43,710 Georgia Hampton: The, like, mental fortitude to be like 724 00:37:43,870 --> 00:37:44,110 Speaker 9: Yeah. 725 00:37:44,110 --> 00:37:45,070 Georgia Hampton: I know. 726 00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:47,310 Jason Oberholtzer: You're the strongest person I have ever 727 00:37:47,310 --> 00:37:47,870 heard. 728 00:37:47,870 --> 00:37:52,030 Georgia Hampton: Oh, gosh. It's so admirable. I I love this. Oh 729 00:37:52,030 --> 00:37:52,510 my god. 730 00:37:53,305 --> 00:37:55,945 Mike Rugnetta: So, you know, it makes sense, right, that this 731 00:37:55,945 --> 00:37:59,465 would happen on LinkedIn. This would be how LinkedIn does it. A 732 00:37:59,465 --> 00:38:03,385 very sort of, like, productivity oriented in a lot of ways social 733 00:38:03,385 --> 00:38:07,760 network. So Ross is taking an action to thwart this insistence 734 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,920 on productivity and wants to know if there are similar 735 00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,160 actions that we all take in our lives. 736 00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,000 Hans Buetow: Going to the library, does that count? Like, 737 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,075 going to get going to get DVDs of the library, listening to 738 00:38:21,075 --> 00:38:23,395 records, does all that stuff. Like, stuff that doesn't tick 739 00:38:23,395 --> 00:38:24,755 something on a counter. 740 00:38:24,995 --> 00:38:27,795 Georgia Hampton: I think it has to be something where you are 741 00:38:27,795 --> 00:38:33,555 using an interface, but denying a component of it. 742 00:38:33,555 --> 00:38:36,010 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. The one that I can think of is that I 743 00:38:36,010 --> 00:38:39,530 don't have notifications turned on for anything. That's 744 00:38:39,530 --> 00:38:40,170 reasonable. 745 00:38:40,250 --> 00:38:42,810 Hans Buetow: Is something like using Facebook only for the 746 00:38:42,810 --> 00:38:44,970 marketplace fit into this, or is that 747 00:38:44,970 --> 00:38:47,050 Mike Rugnetta: too mainstream? No. Because Facebook knows that 748 00:38:47,050 --> 00:38:49,290 you're doing that, and they That's such a they like it. And 749 00:38:49,290 --> 00:38:50,755 they're using that. Maybe 750 00:38:50,755 --> 00:38:53,315 Hans Buetow: I can get five years ago when it was just a sub 751 00:38:53,315 --> 00:38:54,355 side thing. 752 00:38:54,515 --> 00:38:55,075 Georgia Hampton: But now 753 00:38:55,075 --> 00:38:55,635 Hans Buetow: it's not. 754 00:38:55,795 --> 00:38:57,715 Georgia Hampton: It's also like, there's a reason they don't have 755 00:38:57,715 --> 00:39:01,315 just an app for the marketplace, which they should have. Because 756 00:39:01,315 --> 00:39:04,595 so many people, myself included, only have Facebook still for 757 00:39:04,595 --> 00:39:05,315 marketplace. 758 00:39:05,315 --> 00:39:05,555 Hans Buetow: Yep. 759 00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,160 Georgia Hampton: But they want you to have to go to Facebook. 760 00:39:08,160 --> 00:39:10,000 Mike Rugnetta: They they want you to log in so they can read 761 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,520 the contents of your clipboard. 762 00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:13,040 Speaker 6: Yep. I 763 00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:14,480 Georgia Hampton: don't know. Maybe we gotta think about this 764 00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:15,120 a bit more. 765 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:16,320 Mike Rugnetta: Ross, good question. 766 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:17,040 Hans Buetow: Great question. 767 00:39:18,855 --> 00:39:22,375 Georgia Hampton: Alright. Up next, we have two voicemails 768 00:39:22,375 --> 00:39:29,575 about my episode regarding the perfect vehicle ever to be made. 769 00:39:29,575 --> 00:39:33,730 The 1993 Renault Twingo, which if you are unfamiliar or you 770 00:39:33,730 --> 00:39:38,690 have somehow forgotten, is a funny little guy of a car that 771 00:39:38,690 --> 00:39:43,410 has very round headlights, a little smile on its bumper, and 772 00:39:43,650 --> 00:39:48,095 is just sort of the perfect little friend of a car. The 773 00:39:48,095 --> 00:39:52,175 first comes from Erin, who called in about another fabulous 774 00:39:52,175 --> 00:39:56,815 dorky little car that came to the culture through a notably 775 00:39:56,815 --> 00:39:59,535 non car guy method. 776 00:39:59,775 --> 00:40:04,760 Speaker 6: I called to give a shout out to the I know about 777 00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:09,560 the Yugo because that is heavily featured in the movie Nick and 778 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:13,240 Nora's Infinite Playlist, the True Hats now was a very 779 00:40:13,240 --> 00:40:18,375 important piece of teen media in the, late aughts. A shout out to 780 00:40:18,375 --> 00:40:19,095 the Yugo. 781 00:40:19,335 --> 00:40:21,015 Georgia Hampton: Erin, I'm so glad you mentioned Nick and 782 00:40:21,015 --> 00:40:24,775 Nora's Infinite playlist. A beloved piece of culture for me. 783 00:40:24,855 --> 00:40:29,280 Completely independent of this car guy lifestyle by virtue of 784 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:32,480 the fact that the Yugo, a car that is famous for not really 785 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,440 being a great car. 786 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,480 Mike Rugnetta: Manufactured in Yugoslavia, and I believe up up 787 00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,000 until the late eighties. 788 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:41,040 Speaker 6: Mhmm. So 789 00:40:41,120 --> 00:40:43,485 Georgia Hampton: yeah. Yeah. A car that I don't think was 790 00:40:43,485 --> 00:40:48,045 especially reliable is very cute, very boxy, looks like a 791 00:40:48,045 --> 00:40:53,885 toy, is very much taking a page from the the Twingo's visual 792 00:40:53,965 --> 00:40:59,410 book. Fun cars exist everywhere. You do not have to rely on the 793 00:40:59,410 --> 00:41:02,850 car guy to find a car that you think is cute and fun. 794 00:41:02,850 --> 00:41:04,930 Mike Rugnetta: Also, a quick fact check of myself. The Yugo 795 00:41:04,930 --> 00:41:05,810 was produced until 796 00:41:05,810 --> 00:41:12,585 Georgia Hampton: 2008. Speaking of sweet little cars, Penalty 797 00:41:12,905 --> 00:41:16,905 sent in a voicemail about my favorite car of all time, which 798 00:41:16,905 --> 00:41:19,945 is the Mini Cooper, a car that I am desperately trying to find an 799 00:41:19,945 --> 00:41:22,830 excuse to buy one of these days when I have the funds, and I 800 00:41:22,830 --> 00:41:26,350 don't mind the fact that you have to go to a mini dealer to 801 00:41:26,350 --> 00:41:27,550 get everything fixed. 802 00:41:27,950 --> 00:41:30,830 Speaker 10: So there was a car forum online called North 803 00:41:30,830 --> 00:41:33,790 American Motoring for many enthusiasts that I spent a bunch 804 00:41:33,790 --> 00:41:37,085 of time on before I ever got a mini. Learned a bunch of stuff 805 00:41:37,085 --> 00:41:40,445 about them. People were super welcoming. Happy to educate you 806 00:41:40,445 --> 00:41:43,645 about them, including things like, here, these are the issues 807 00:41:43,645 --> 00:41:47,725 to look out for or just like, hey. Look at my mini. 808 00:41:47,725 --> 00:41:49,565 This is how I've modded it. Doesn't it look cool? And 809 00:41:49,565 --> 00:41:53,040 everyone's like, yeah. It looks super cool. I don't know how I 810 00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,160 could possibly have found 811 00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:56,160 Speaker 6: a comedian like that, IRL. 812 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 10: Especially because, like, there's a gender thing to 813 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:04,560 IRL car culture that is inescapable when you are a small 814 00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:04,960 woman. 815 00:42:06,365 --> 00:42:10,765 Georgia Hampton: A gender thing in car culture? It's more likely 816 00:42:10,765 --> 00:42:15,645 than you think. I'm just so happy to hear this. I love 817 00:42:15,645 --> 00:42:18,845 minis. I'm not surprised at all that the online mini community 818 00:42:18,845 --> 00:42:20,445 is wonderful and sweet. 819 00:42:20,845 --> 00:42:25,100 And it's just nice to hear about other corners of the Internet 820 00:42:25,100 --> 00:42:26,140 where this is happening. 821 00:42:26,460 --> 00:42:28,620 Jason Oberholtzer: I guess I never really properly considered 822 00:42:28,620 --> 00:42:31,740 how hard it would be to find other people who like your weird 823 00:42:31,740 --> 00:42:34,700 little car if you just have to, like, see them on the road. 824 00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:35,500 Georgia Hampton: Oh, yeah. 825 00:42:35,580 --> 00:42:36,220 Speaker 6: It's you. 826 00:42:37,535 --> 00:42:39,775 Jason Oberholtzer: Alright. Next up, we have a section just 827 00:42:39,775 --> 00:42:42,255 called cool things to check out. 828 00:42:44,415 --> 00:42:45,855 Speaker 6: That's the 829 00:42:45,855 --> 00:42:46,335 Hans Buetow: theme song. 830 00:42:46,335 --> 00:42:48,015 Jason Oberholtzer: Guess I don't need to compose anything. 831 00:42:48,015 --> 00:42:50,495 Mike Rugnetta: Easy. Is that also that also 832 00:42:50,815 --> 00:42:53,055 Hans Buetow: Okay. Actually, 833 00:42:53,135 --> 00:42:55,030 Speaker 6: no. Oh, shit. Okay. 834 00:42:55,030 --> 00:42:55,910 Mike Rugnetta: Hanzo, just let 835 00:42:55,910 --> 00:42:58,150 Georgia Hampton: us thousand dollars. Okay. 836 00:42:58,470 --> 00:43:03,270 Speaker 9: I've just been listening, catching up on some 837 00:43:03,270 --> 00:43:06,950 episodes. And I know it's quite frequently. There's a discussion 838 00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:12,555 on, man, current mobile phones are really boring. And I agree 839 00:43:12,555 --> 00:43:16,795 on this. I wanted to point out a resource. 840 00:43:16,795 --> 00:43:20,875 It is called the mobile phone museum. Literally mobile phone 841 00:43:20,875 --> 00:43:25,210 museum dot com. It just is a catalog of a bunch of models of 842 00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:25,850 phones. 843 00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:26,570 Speaker 6: They're Oh, yeah. 844 00:43:26,570 --> 00:43:29,370 Speaker 9: This phones is as determined by the staff who work 845 00:43:29,370 --> 00:43:35,115 there. They have it organized by brand. They have it organized by 846 00:43:35,115 --> 00:43:36,955 decade, by country that they were 847 00:43:37,115 --> 00:43:37,595 Jason Oberholtzer: Sure do. 848 00:43:37,595 --> 00:43:41,035 Speaker 9: Sold in. They have one called James Bond Phones. 849 00:43:41,355 --> 00:43:44,795 It's very fun. I like to draw some of the weird guy weird 850 00:43:44,795 --> 00:43:47,275 little guys on here. That's all. 851 00:43:47,275 --> 00:43:48,155 I hope you have a great day. 852 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:50,520 Georgia Hampton: What collection are you guys looking at? 853 00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:52,360 Hans Buetow: Because I'm looking at fashion. 854 00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,920 Mike Rugnetta: I'm looking at the full catalog, and it's just 855 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,760 Same. There are so many good phones. 856 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,400 Georgia Hampton: I instantly looked up my favorite phone I 857 00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:03,080 ever owned, which was the Pebble. 858 00:44:03,615 --> 00:44:06,095 Jason Oberholtzer: There's I like these motorolas that have, 859 00:44:06,095 --> 00:44:08,095 like, the middle finger antenna in the middle. 860 00:44:08,095 --> 00:44:08,575 Mike Rugnetta: Oh, yeah. 861 00:44:08,575 --> 00:44:11,695 Hans Buetow: Yep. Well, this is this is a great resource. 862 00:44:11,695 --> 00:44:12,975 Georgia Hampton: It's so wonderful. 863 00:44:12,975 --> 00:44:14,975 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. The Japanese with the chick lit 864 00:44:14,975 --> 00:44:15,375 buttons. 865 00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:17,190 Georgia Hampton: Oh my god. Cool. 866 00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:19,510 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. This rules. 867 00:44:19,750 --> 00:44:23,350 Mike Rugnetta: I guess I'll just go back to using my perfectly 868 00:44:23,350 --> 00:44:25,990 smooth ingot of glass later. Fuck. 869 00:44:29,325 --> 00:44:31,725 Georgia Hampton: Thank you to the person who sent this in. You 870 00:44:31,725 --> 00:44:35,085 did not include your name, but thank you so much for this. This 871 00:44:35,085 --> 00:44:36,525 is Imagine if technology 872 00:44:36,525 --> 00:44:38,845 Mike Rugnetta: in any way acknowledged the human body. 873 00:44:38,845 --> 00:44:41,245 Georgia Hampton: Just imagine. Literally. If it in any way 874 00:44:41,485 --> 00:44:42,365 Colors. Acknowledged 875 00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:48,200 Jason Oberholtzer: Mike is so mad right now. Next cool thing 876 00:44:48,200 --> 00:44:52,920 to check out comes from Timothy Banas, who sends us their 877 00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:58,295 website, solar.lowtechmagazine.com. And 878 00:44:58,295 --> 00:45:01,335 says, Low Tech Magazine is an excellent little publication 879 00:45:01,575 --> 00:45:05,255 mostly headed by Chris De Decker about technological solutions to 880 00:45:05,255 --> 00:45:08,935 climate change looking to the past for inspiration. But it's 881 00:45:08,935 --> 00:45:12,695 not just what you would think. First, the energy is entirely 882 00:45:12,695 --> 00:45:16,110 solar powered It has been for a couple years now. 883 00:45:16,110 --> 00:45:19,070 Mike Rugnetta: And this The subhead on the website is, this 884 00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:22,270 is a solar powered website, which means it sometimes goes 885 00:45:22,270 --> 00:45:24,830 offline. Yeah. Some go away. 886 00:45:25,070 --> 00:45:27,950 Jason Oberholtzer: Some go away. So based in Barcelona, Spain, 887 00:45:28,645 --> 00:45:31,605 it's on a very energy efficient little server attached to a mini 888 00:45:31,605 --> 00:45:33,125 photovoltaic in a window. 889 00:45:33,125 --> 00:45:35,925 Hans Buetow: You have to watch it when it's sunny in Spain. 890 00:45:35,925 --> 00:45:38,245 Jason Oberholtzer: Yes. The background of the entire website 891 00:45:38,245 --> 00:45:41,845 can slide between a cheery yellow or a gray indicating how 892 00:45:41,845 --> 00:45:45,030 charged the website is at that moment. As it says in multiple 893 00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:45,590 Speaker 6: places cool. 894 00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:48,230 Jason Oberholtzer: Sometimes, if it's too cloudy for too long, 895 00:45:48,470 --> 00:45:49,750 the website goes away. 896 00:45:49,990 --> 00:45:54,630 Hans Buetow: I love this. Timothy, great find. 897 00:45:54,630 --> 00:45:55,350 Georgia Hampton: Is so cool. 898 00:45:55,350 --> 00:45:57,750 Mike Rugnetta: I love this. This is great. This is great. Also, 899 00:45:57,750 --> 00:46:00,745 like, great subject matter. Like an interesting an interesting 900 00:46:00,745 --> 00:46:03,145 idea, and also just like interesting stuff on this 901 00:46:03,145 --> 00:46:03,785 website. 902 00:46:03,865 --> 00:46:05,945 Jason Oberholtzer: Next cool thing to check out comes from 903 00:46:05,945 --> 00:46:12,430 BluntFarce, who says, Ari, your conversation about the 904 00:46:12,430 --> 00:46:15,070 difference between the old joyously chaotic aesthetic of 905 00:46:15,070 --> 00:46:18,750 Myspace versus the enforced conformity of Facebook. Did you 906 00:46:18,750 --> 00:46:22,750 know that some brave souls have pretty much recreated Myspace at 907 00:46:22,750 --> 00:46:25,165 spacehay.com. 908 00:46:25,165 --> 00:46:27,885 Hans Buetow: H e y, not h a y. Correct. 909 00:46:27,965 --> 00:46:29,965 Jason Oberholtzer: It is messy and glorious. Recent figures 910 00:46:29,965 --> 00:46:34,125 have it about 2,000,000 users, including me. Well, including 911 00:46:34,125 --> 00:46:38,525 this online slash art aspect of me. Blunt farce. 912 00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:41,480 Hans Buetow: Georgia just gasped. 913 00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:46,520 Hans Buetow: You can go home again. Oh my god. It's like 914 00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,640 greeting an old friend. It looks exactly the same. 915 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,960 Mike Rugnetta: When I try to use it, it says Space Hay is not 916 00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,200 currently available in your region. 917 00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,315 Georgia Hampton: Oh. Wait. I can. 918 00:46:56,395 --> 00:46:57,595 Hans Buetow: Yeah. I can too. 919 00:46:57,595 --> 00:46:59,035 Georgia Hampton: I can look at blogs. 920 00:46:59,035 --> 00:47:00,955 Mike Rugnetta: Oh, yeah. It does say specifically, you're 921 00:47:00,955 --> 00:47:03,915 currently unable to offer space hay in New York. Yeah. 922 00:47:03,915 --> 00:47:04,635 Hans Buetow: There you go. 923 00:47:04,635 --> 00:47:06,315 Mike Rugnetta: This may be because of local requirements 924 00:47:06,315 --> 00:47:09,275 like age verification on social media, which I don't think we 925 00:47:09,275 --> 00:47:09,675 have. 926 00:47:09,675 --> 00:47:11,115 Hans Buetow: I love space hay even more now. 927 00:47:11,710 --> 00:47:12,350 Georgia Hampton: Yeah. 928 00:47:12,350 --> 00:47:12,990 Hans Buetow: This is great. 929 00:47:12,990 --> 00:47:13,950 Hans Buetow: Come on, Hans. 930 00:47:13,950 --> 00:47:15,150 Speaker 6: Yeah. Go Midwest. Let's 931 00:47:15,150 --> 00:47:17,310 Speaker 9: go. Our 932 00:47:18,510 --> 00:47:22,830 Jason Oberholtzer: next cool thing to check out comes from 933 00:47:22,830 --> 00:47:24,110 Thomas Zauner. 934 00:47:24,495 --> 00:47:25,775 Hans Buetow: Good luck with this. 935 00:47:26,895 --> 00:47:29,935 Jason Oberholtzer: I was born to do this. If I can't get this 936 00:47:29,935 --> 00:47:32,735 first take as an Oberholzer, I resign my name. 937 00:47:32,735 --> 00:47:34,255 Georgia Hampton: That's so true, actually. 938 00:47:34,255 --> 00:47:37,820 Jason Oberholtzer: Same is so true. Dear Never team, I am 939 00:47:37,820 --> 00:47:40,220 intrigued by one item in the call for submissions for the 940 00:47:40,220 --> 00:47:42,540 Never Post Olympiads. We asked people to talk about their 941 00:47:42,540 --> 00:47:45,340 favorite kitchen implements. Anyway, while he didn't 942 00:47:45,340 --> 00:47:47,900 participate in the Olympiad, he's very happy to share his 943 00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:53,155 favorite kitchen implement for our enjoyment. It is the Holy 944 00:47:53,155 --> 00:47:53,795 moly. 945 00:47:53,795 --> 00:47:54,275 Yeah. 946 00:47:58,275 --> 00:47:59,155 Georgia Hampton: Irish in the 947 00:47:59,155 --> 00:48:01,475 Mike Rugnetta: first give the name off. I'd give it back. 948 00:48:01,715 --> 00:48:02,275 Speaker 6: Why did it 949 00:48:02,275 --> 00:48:03,955 Jason Oberholtzer: broke so we it broke so 950 00:48:03,955 --> 00:48:05,315 Speaker 6: quickly? Yeah. We got lost. Alright. 951 00:48:05,795 --> 00:48:10,480 Jason Oberholtzer: Alright. Gonna take it again. Our first 952 00:48:10,880 --> 00:48:11,920 first first. Some 953 00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:18,560 Georgia Hampton: are worse. Did provide a a helpful phonetic 954 00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:19,760 pronunciation below. 955 00:48:20,265 --> 00:48:22,425 Jason Oberholtzer: Oh, if it's so helpful, why don't you do it? 956 00:48:22,505 --> 00:48:33,305 Georgia Hampton: Alright. This sounds Hebrew a little bit. 957 00:48:33,305 --> 00:48:46,550 Jason Oberholtzer: Hans? Before I tell you what the item is, 958 00:48:46,550 --> 00:48:49,750 listeners, you can do your own pronunciation. It is spelled 959 00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:50,310 Gusby. 960 00:48:51,335 --> 00:48:52,855 Speaker 6: E I r s h 961 00:48:52,855 --> 00:48:58,455 Jason Oberholtzer: a guys? I need to lock in. Focus. E I e r 962 00:48:58,455 --> 00:49:07,290 s c h a l e n s o l l b r u c h s t e l l e n v e r u r s a c h 963 00:49:07,290 --> 00:49:08,090 e r. 964 00:49:08,250 --> 00:49:09,130 Mike Rugnetta: What is it? 965 00:49:09,690 --> 00:49:11,370 Hans Buetow: Well, obviously. 966 00:49:11,610 --> 00:49:14,970 Jason Oberholtzer: It's a clack egg opener. You put it on top of 967 00:49:14,970 --> 00:49:18,185 your cooked egg in the egg cup. You then let a metal weight 968 00:49:18,185 --> 00:49:21,545 clack down onto the metal receptacle that is placed on top 969 00:49:21,545 --> 00:49:27,065 of the egg in der besten aller mochlichlen Welton. This breaks 970 00:49:27,065 --> 00:49:30,345 the eggshell in a perfect circle around the edge of the metal 971 00:49:30,345 --> 00:49:33,640 receptacle, allowing you to pull it off cleanly. You may thus 972 00:49:33,640 --> 00:49:35,480 enjoy a perfectly beheaded egg. 973 00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:37,720 Georgia Hampton: Okay. Well, now I want one. Sort of an egg 974 00:49:37,720 --> 00:49:39,960 guillotine Yeah. In a way. 975 00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,960 Mike Rugnetta: And finally 976 00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:44,920 Jason Oberholtzer: And finally graffiti. It has come to this. 977 00:49:45,285 --> 00:49:47,445 Mike Rugnetta: So it seems like we're we're both one and two 978 00:49:47,445 --> 00:49:48,005 word now. 979 00:49:48,005 --> 00:49:50,805 Jason Oberholtzer: The year is 2026. We accept one word and two 980 00:49:50,805 --> 00:49:51,605 word graffiti. 981 00:49:51,605 --> 00:49:51,925 Mike Rugnetta: Okay. 982 00:49:51,925 --> 00:49:55,685 Jason Oberholtzer: We'll start with the one words. Matt Steclow 983 00:49:56,165 --> 00:50:00,420 sends us from Colorado, a piece of graffiti on the side of a 984 00:50:00,420 --> 00:50:04,820 little green transformer box on the side of the road, Amok. 985 00:50:05,460 --> 00:50:06,500 Mike Rugnetta: I I love the word. 986 00:50:06,580 --> 00:50:07,380 Jason Oberholtzer: M u 987 00:50:07,460 --> 00:50:07,940 Mike Rugnetta: So good. 988 00:50:08,020 --> 00:50:09,700 Jason Oberholtzer: K, Amok. 989 00:50:09,700 --> 00:50:12,020 Mike Rugnetta: Isn't that also not how you spell Amok? Not 990 00:50:12,660 --> 00:50:13,060 Speaker 6: at all. 991 00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:13,780 Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Not how you 992 00:50:13,780 --> 00:50:14,340 Georgia Hampton: spell Amok. Not even 993 00:50:14,340 --> 00:50:17,665 Mike Rugnetta: a little bit. Both are correct. Hey. A m o k 994 00:50:17,665 --> 00:50:21,665 is the preferred standard spelling in modern English. 995 00:50:21,665 --> 00:50:22,145 Jason Oberholtzer: Lame. 996 00:50:22,145 --> 00:50:24,625 Mike Rugnetta: Jesus. The word originated from the Malay word 997 00:50:24,625 --> 00:50:28,305 amok, a m u k, meaning to go on a killing spree. 998 00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,440 Georgia Hampton: I've been using it wrong. Wait. 999 00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:37,480 Mike Rugnetta: Hold on. No. I got fooled. I thought that I 1000 00:50:37,480 --> 00:50:41,960 skipped the AI overview, but that maybe just be a this might 1001 00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:46,615 just be a further down second AI overview. Oh, lord. 1002 00:50:46,615 --> 00:50:48,135 Okay. Don't believe what I just said. 1003 00:50:48,135 --> 00:50:51,655 Jason Oberholtzer: I never do. Next up, Georgia, will you tell 1004 00:50:51,655 --> 00:50:54,055 the people what Megan Burdick has sent in? 1005 00:50:54,055 --> 00:50:58,055 Georgia Hampton: Yes. On the side of an internet cafe in 1006 00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,840 Schimkent, Kazakhstan. 1007 00:51:01,840 --> 00:51:02,880 Jason Oberholtzer: Good German. 1008 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:06,240 Georgia Hampton: Forgive me if that is pronounced incorrectly. 1009 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,985 But it just says SpongeBob. And it's underlined. 1010 00:51:12,145 --> 00:51:13,985 Jason Oberholtzer: Hell, yeah. It does. Classic. 1011 00:51:13,985 --> 00:51:15,105 Georgia Hampton: As it's great. 1012 00:51:15,105 --> 00:51:18,225 Jason Oberholtzer: Hans, moving now to two word graffiti. 1013 00:51:18,225 --> 00:51:19,425 Hans Buetow: I think that's one word. 1014 00:51:19,905 --> 00:51:20,545 Jason Oberholtzer: Okay. 1015 00:51:20,545 --> 00:51:23,505 Hans Buetow: I think it's one word. It's not one word. It's 1016 00:51:23,505 --> 00:51:25,665 two different words next to each other. That's two different 1017 00:51:25,665 --> 00:51:29,300 artists tagging two different things. Okay. 1018 00:51:29,300 --> 00:51:33,140 It just happened to be linked by an outline. So it's a railroad 1019 00:51:33,140 --> 00:51:41,215 tracks fence where it says beer, and next to it, maize, m a y s, 1020 00:51:41,215 --> 00:51:43,375 and they're both outlined in white together. 1021 00:51:43,615 --> 00:51:46,335 Jason Oberholtzer: This is sent in by Sven Luke from Berlin. 1022 00:51:46,495 --> 00:51:49,135 Mike Rugnetta: Interesting. Interesting. The color scheme 1023 00:51:49,135 --> 00:51:51,780 between the two is similar, but not. Yes. 1024 00:51:51,780 --> 00:51:53,460 Jason Oberholtzer: Beyond similar and be the same. 1025 00:51:53,940 --> 00:51:55,460 Mike Rugnetta: Distinct. Yeah. I don't know 1026 00:51:55,460 --> 00:51:56,180 Jason Oberholtzer: what it means. 1027 00:51:56,260 --> 00:51:57,780 Georgia Hampton: I know what this next one means. 1028 00:51:57,780 --> 00:52:00,340 Speaker 6: The next one, unfortunately. 1029 00:52:00,340 --> 00:52:02,180 Jason Oberholtzer: Georgia is I'm exhausted. I thought they 1030 00:52:02,180 --> 00:52:03,060 falling the turns, 1031 00:52:03,060 --> 00:52:04,260 Mike Rugnetta: I would get to do 1032 00:52:06,255 --> 00:52:06,895 Hans Buetow: special boy. 1033 00:52:06,895 --> 00:52:10,175 Jason Oberholtzer: My cut. And this is definitely two words of 1034 00:52:10,175 --> 00:52:10,575 graffiti. 1035 00:52:10,575 --> 00:52:13,775 Mike Rugnetta: Two words. Yes. Okay. So chaikaholic sends in 1036 00:52:13,775 --> 00:52:17,295 from Frankfurt, Germany, the side of a concrete wall where 1037 00:52:17,295 --> 00:52:20,815 there is a bunch of graffiti, but in the middle of all of 1038 00:52:20,815 --> 00:52:25,710 these tags, in bright red, all uppercase script, written in 1039 00:52:25,710 --> 00:52:29,070 such a way that it seems like someone has done it quickly. 1040 00:52:29,070 --> 00:52:29,710 Yes. 1041 00:52:29,710 --> 00:52:34,590 It's urgent. In a in a hurry. Yes. With urgency. Almost like 1042 00:52:34,910 --> 00:52:36,030 emergency. 1043 00:52:36,775 --> 00:52:42,695 Yes. La boo boo cum shot. You know, La boo boo cum shot 1044 00:52:42,695 --> 00:52:45,895 released a couple good records in the early two thousands. Oh 1045 00:52:45,895 --> 00:52:51,175 Jason Oberholtzer: my god. And one last submission from myself 1046 00:52:51,300 --> 00:52:56,340 that I found in my photos from a number of years ago that I want 1047 00:52:56,340 --> 00:52:59,700 you all to have to parse. I know what's going on. I desperately 1048 00:52:59,700 --> 00:53:01,860 want you to try to figure out what's going on. 1049 00:53:01,940 --> 00:53:02,420 Georgia Hampton: This should 1050 00:53:02,420 --> 00:53:03,940 Hans Buetow: have been a why go, Jason. 1051 00:53:04,100 --> 00:53:07,140 Jason Oberholtzer: Yeah. This is this is why go worthy. Georgia, 1052 00:53:07,140 --> 00:53:08,415 you want first crack? 1053 00:53:09,055 --> 00:53:12,735 Georgia Hampton: Yeah. Absolutely. So, in a totally 1054 00:53:12,735 --> 00:53:16,415 normal situation that I'm looking at right now, we've got, 1055 00:53:17,935 --> 00:53:24,920 five, well armed gentlemen with automatic weapons, as far as I 1056 00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:28,600 can tell, sort of against a wall that has some graffiti on it, 1057 00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:32,840 but they are beautifully framed in sort of a whitewashed section 1058 00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:39,215 of that wall. And three of these men are pointing their guns to 1059 00:53:39,215 --> 00:53:43,295 the right of the image off screen, I hope, because at the 1060 00:53:43,295 --> 00:53:49,260 very edge of this photograph is another man with, like, a bolex? 1061 00:53:49,260 --> 00:53:49,580 Like a 1062 00:53:49,660 --> 00:53:51,980 Mike Rugnetta: I was gonna say, I believe that's a 16 millimeter 1063 00:53:51,980 --> 00:53:52,860 film camera. 1064 00:53:52,860 --> 00:53:56,220 Georgia Hampton: Yeah. A film camera, I think, were on a roof 1065 00:53:56,220 --> 00:54:01,260 as well. But between these five guys with guns and this other 1066 00:54:01,260 --> 00:54:06,155 guy facing them with a video camera of some kind, written in 1067 00:54:06,155 --> 00:54:11,595 teal, all capital letters, script, kale chips. 1068 00:54:11,595 --> 00:54:12,395 Jason Oberholtzer: Kale chips. 1069 00:54:12,395 --> 00:54:15,515 Mike Rugnetta: The favorite snack of all brave Mujahideen 1070 00:54:15,515 --> 00:54:16,235 fighters. 1071 00:54:16,715 --> 00:54:20,150 Georgia Hampton: Well, this is during the Kale Chips war Yes. 1072 00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:21,750 If you recall. 1073 00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:25,670 Jason Oberholtzer: This is an old pal of mine, Tom Leverett, 1074 00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:29,910 filming for a movie that he was making on a Brooklyn rooftop. 1075 00:54:30,915 --> 00:54:34,435 And this was supposed to be set in like Tunisia or something, 1076 00:54:34,435 --> 00:54:36,675 and he is doing like brick building to brick building 1077 00:54:36,675 --> 00:54:40,995 combat footage with his like 16 millimeter camera. And the only 1078 00:54:40,995 --> 00:54:44,880 thing that belies that you are not in Tunisia, but instead on a 1079 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:48,320 rooftop in Brooklyn is kale chips graffiti. 1080 00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:50,640 Mike Rugnetta: Also, I think all of these guys are wearing 1081 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:51,280 Clarks. 1082 00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:54,560 Jason Oberholtzer: So there are two anachronistic things. 1083 00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:00,955 Mike Rugnetta: Okay. Finally. Finally. An important piece of 1084 00:55:00,955 --> 00:55:01,675 information. 1085 00:55:02,075 --> 00:55:04,155 Jason Oberholtzer: Maybe the most important piece 1086 00:55:04,155 --> 00:55:06,395 Mike Rugnetta: of information. Important piece of information 1087 00:55:06,395 --> 00:55:07,355 in this mailbag. 1088 00:55:07,355 --> 00:55:07,595 Jason Oberholtzer: Yes. 1089 00:55:07,595 --> 00:55:08,235 Georgia Hampton: Definitely. 1090 00:55:08,235 --> 00:55:10,155 Mike Rugnetta: This we should maybe just produce like, release 1091 00:55:10,155 --> 00:55:12,555 this as its own post so that everybody knows. 1092 00:55:12,635 --> 00:55:12,875 Georgia Hampton: Yeah. 1093 00:55:13,470 --> 00:55:16,750 Mike Rugnetta: Azalea Dring writes in and says, hey, never 1094 00:55:16,750 --> 00:55:20,510 post. I just listened to the most recent Mailbag, number 12, 1095 00:55:20,670 --> 00:55:26,350 and I have to stop to give you the true lowdown on Garfies. 1096 00:55:26,585 --> 00:55:32,185 Absolutely. Absolutely. It also offers an important correction. 1097 00:55:32,265 --> 00:55:38,185 Garfys pronouns are she, her, not he, him. So sorry, Garfys. 1098 00:55:38,185 --> 00:55:40,185 Jason Oberholtzer: Now before we go on, if this is your first 1099 00:55:40,185 --> 00:55:44,580 time hearing about Garfies, and I hope for you it isn't, someone 1100 00:55:44,580 --> 00:55:45,860 has to tell you what Garfies are. 1101 00:55:45,860 --> 00:55:47,940 Mike Rugnetta: Imagine a drawing of Garfield with big old 1102 00:55:47,940 --> 00:55:52,660 titties. Done. Here in Norm, so called Melbourne. I'll hold on. 1103 00:55:52,660 --> 00:55:52,980 Sorry. 1104 00:55:52,980 --> 00:55:56,775 I'll say it right. So called Melbourne, Australia. Garfies is 1105 00:55:56,775 --> 00:56:00,775 the local tag slash motif of a graffiti artist. There's a lot 1106 00:56:00,775 --> 00:56:03,495 of the Garfies all over the city, and they're a beautiful 1107 00:56:03,495 --> 00:56:07,015 sight to behold. Perhaps, not surprisingly, there is a lot of 1108 00:56:07,015 --> 00:56:09,495 her in the areas where us queer folk live. 1109 00:56:09,940 --> 00:56:12,900 Oh. It's well known in the local trans communities that Garfie's 1110 00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:18,340 is transfem. She's a meme icon of fat positive trans femininity 1111 00:56:18,340 --> 00:56:21,780 ready to greet you with big fat tits at pedestrian crossings 1112 00:56:21,780 --> 00:56:22,100 Speaker 6: Yes. 1113 00:56:22,180 --> 00:56:25,495 Mike Rugnetta: On street lights, transformer boxes, street signs, 1114 00:56:25,575 --> 00:56:31,255 or just about anywhere else she can rest her heavy weights. DIY 1115 00:56:31,255 --> 00:56:34,455 estrogen has done her punk arse wonders. 1116 00:56:34,455 --> 00:56:35,655 Georgia Hampton: Oh my god. 1117 00:56:35,655 --> 00:56:38,215 Mike Rugnetta: I can confirm the canon of transfem Garfies 1118 00:56:38,215 --> 00:56:41,540 through trustworthy sources, namely as a polyamorous trans 1119 00:56:41,540 --> 00:56:45,060 woman in NARM. Two of my partners have both met the 1120 00:56:45,060 --> 00:56:48,740 Garfies artist, of course, keeping the hero artist involved 1121 00:56:48,740 --> 00:56:55,425 anonymous, though. Listeners, if you wanna get on the mailbag. 1122 00:56:55,425 --> 00:56:56,705 Speaker 6: Oh my god. 1123 00:56:58,545 --> 00:57:00,225 Mike Rugnetta: Azalea, thank you. 1124 00:57:00,225 --> 00:57:00,945 Hans Buetow: That's amazing. 1125 00:57:00,945 --> 00:57:03,265 Jason Oberholtzer: Thank you. Great info. I feel a great sense 1126 00:57:03,265 --> 00:57:04,065 of closure. 1127 00:57:04,065 --> 00:57:04,945 Hans Buetow: Love that. 1128 00:57:05,905 --> 00:57:09,830 Mike Rugnetta: That is the mailbag we have for you. Thanks 1129 00:57:09,830 --> 00:57:13,750 everybody for writing in. Thanks friends for joining. We will be 1130 00:57:13,750 --> 00:57:18,070 back here in the main feed on or around whatever is one week from 1131 00:57:18,070 --> 00:57:19,190 when this comes out. 1132 00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:21,110 Hans Buetow: Good luck to all 1133 00:57:21,110 --> 00:57:21,670 Speaker 6: of us. 1134 00:57:21,830 --> 00:57:24,435 Mike Rugnetta: Currently currently currently in flux. 1135 00:57:24,435 --> 00:57:27,715 We'll see you in about a week. Okay. Bye. 1136 00:57:27,715 --> 00:57:28,515 Speaker 7: Bye. Bye.