Mike Rugnetta: Friends, hello, and welcome to Never Post, a
podcast for and about the Internet. I'm your host, Mike
Rugnetta. This intro was written on Monday, 12/15/2025 at 09:06PM
eastern, and we have a remarkable show for you this
week. Recently, Neverpost had the opportunity to introduce the
folks at the tech podcast kill switch hosted by journalist
Dexter Thomas to Jeremy Busby, a writer, journalist, and activist
who has served over twenty five years of a seventy five year
sentence at a maximum security facility in Beaumont, Texas. In
this episode, we've included the entirety of Dexter's
conversation with Jeremy about the work Jeremy's done
advocating for both prisoners and prison guards using his
contraband mobile phone largely from solitary confinement.
It is an incredible conversation that we're really happy to have
had a small part in co producing. Right now, we're
gonna take a quick break. You're gonna listen to some ads unless
you're on the member feed. And when we return, we're gonna talk
about a few of the things that have happened since the last
time you heard from us. Sweet dreams are made of this.
Who am I to disagree? I travel the world in the seven seas.
Everybody's looking for four stories this week. Zillow has
removed climate risk scores from more than a million listings
according to the New York Times. The online real estate
aggregator previously displayed information about property's
susceptibility to fire, flood, heat, wind, and air quality
disaster, but no longer.
After complaints from the California regional multiple
listing service from which Zillow aggregates data
properties for sale. Agents had also noted that the ratings were
hurting sales as perhaps they should. But what do I know?
Zillow will continue to link to sources of the data, namely
First Street, a climate and financial risk modeling start
up. And insurers will likely continue to use their data when
considering coverage, but scores will no longer be displayed
directly on listings.
Young men hate gambling. This according to Pew Research's
surprising findings for 2025. Quote, forty three percent of US
adults say legal sports betting is a bad thing for society.
Continuing, one of the biggest shifts in attitudes has occurred
among men 30. In this group, forty seven percent say legal
sports betting is a bad thing for society, an increase from
22% in 2022.
Americans aren't buying smartphones as often as they
used to. In 2016, Americans would get a new phone every two
years. These days, about every two and a half. The Federal
Reserve warns that an extended timeline for upgraded technology
could mean productivity losses. And when it comes to
institutional upgrades at schools or businesses, shifted
investment patterns that could harm the economy as if anyone
looking contentedly at their iPhone 14 gives a shit.
TikTok: Oh, no.
Mike Rugnetta: Disney, in our last story today, has struck a
surprising deal with OpenAI to bring its IP into Sora, their
video generation model. According to a press release
quote, Sora will be able to generate short user prompted
social videos that can be viewed and shared by fans, drawing on
more than 200 Disney, Marvel, Pixar, and Star Wars characters.
And a selection of these fan inspired Sora short form videos
will be available to stream on Disney plus, end quote. Disney
CEO Bob Iger said, bringing together Disney's iconic stories
and characters with OpenAI's groundbreaking technology puts
imagination and creativity directly into the hands of
Disney fans in ways we've never seen before, giving them richer
and more personal ways to connect with the Disney
characters and stories they love. A surprising thing to hear
from a company whose copyright stance up until this point could
best be summed up as hands off the mouse punks.
TikTok: Oh, no.
Mike Rugnetta: For more on this surprising partnership, Hans
talked with Michael Weinberg, the executive director of the
Engelberg Center on Innovation Law and Policy at NYU Law.
Hans Buetow: Thanks, Mike. Michael, so glad to have caught
you. Where where am I catching you?
Where are
you right now?
Michael Weinberg: I am currently in Berlin, Germany.
Hans Buetow: On the road, but, like, this is critical. Let's
figure this out together.
Michael Weinberg: Let's figure it out.
Hans Buetow: Okay. This surprising ass three year deal
in which, as far as I can tell, OpenAI gets 200 Disney
characters to put into their AI video engine, and Disney gets
the opportunity to pay OpenAI $1,000,000,000 as an investment,
plus a promise from OpenAI that the character voices won't be
used. And don't worry, kids are forbidden by OpenAI from using
Sora, so no kids allowed in this Disney product. So my first
question is, are we in the literal upside down? Like,
understanding of copyright law is that, like, 80% of modern
copyright law is in service of keeping Disney characters out of
the grimy hands of a greedy public.
The reason there is so little in the public domain is them
wanting to control Mickey. So, like, is this a reversal?
Michael Weinberg: It certainly is a change. They are in the
business of no when it comes to using their intellectual
property, their characters, their shows, their anything. And
so, yes, this was a this was a super surprise to see Disney,
which basically defines pulling things back to be kind of
opening things up potentially a little bit unclear. Maybe
they're just not doing anything. We don't know.
Hans Buetow: We know very little. We have this one press
release and not a lot other information. So since we don't
have a lot of answers right now, let's outline some of the
questions that you, as a copyright expert, have when you
read this announcement and you hear the details of it.
Michael Weinberg: I have so many I have so many questions, none
of which are gonna be answered in the short term. Some of which
will be answered when they roll out the terms and service, and
some of them will be answered with them in the month
afterwards when people do all their crazy stuff. But Yeah.
Lots of questions. But the first one is is kind of a meta
question.
Right? Like, whatever Disney is doing here, they are not saying
do whatever you want with whatever characters we're we're
putting in here. What safeguards have they written in? Where are
their bright lines? And where are their bright lines in the
agreement with OpenAI?
Right? There's some sort of contract. What are their bright
lines gonna be in the user agreement? And then what are the
technical systems they're putting in place to enforce
those bright lines? We've all seen the Internet take take
these kinds of rules and be like, thank you for these rules.
I'm gonna go in every possible direction that no one who was
cutting the deal anticipated. Disney knows that. Right? That's
not a mystery. That's not a a thing that people don't
understand.
And so what are their contingency plans? What are they
doing? Even if they're gonna be using this as a learning
experience, to get better at understanding what's coming out
of these AI models, what are they gonna do when the first
weird things start coming out? What are they gonna because
you're gonna get a lot of traffic if you are the first
person who has some, un Disney approved activities happening
with Disney characters
Hans Buetow: That's right. Coming out There's
Michael Weinberg: a huge incentive for people to be
working on it.
Hans Buetow: So then what happens? Right? Are there things
in place in this agreement?
Michael Weinberg: Yeah. If there are, who is in charge of of
doing something about it? I mean, what can you do? Once the
video exists, then it exists. And so if it's pulled out and
it's floating around the Internet, well, okay, OpenAI can
shut down that person's account.
If they wanted to go kind of nuts, they could potentially sue
the user for violating the terms and conditions. That seems like
a bad idea. We have had we learned about that. Yeah. Disney
could do the same thing.
I assume Disney is not excited about that prospect. And so do
they just eat the rep what they see as reputational damage when
the first weird things come out and just say this is the cost of
doing business? Yeah. And if that's the case, why this time?
Right?
There have been rounds and rounds of technologies where
there's been sort of, you know, user generated content. Right?
People fan fiction, all these things Right. Where there's been
an Internet community built up around properties that they
love, characters they love, stories they love, and Disney's
reaction historically has been no. What is it about generative
AI that caused someone at Disney to say, well, maybe this time,
why not?
What could possibly go wrong?
Hans Buetow: What happens when we start to see the first user
generated things to come out? What happens with outputs? Like,
when people start making Disney things, who owns those things?
Michael Weinberg: Yeah. So here's one of the the kind of
the crazy things about these generative AI models that that
people I think we're just beginning to kind of wrap our
minds around. When you use a model to create something, to to
generate an output, in The US, no one owns the copyright in
that output. So you as the prompter have no copyright
interest in the output. Now, doesn't mean it's totally free
of copyright.
Right? If you, you know, whatever. If you if you have
Darth Vader in your output, you don't own any copyright on
whatever you've created.
Hans Buetow: Okay.
Michael Weinberg: But Disney still owns the copyright of
Darth Vader. It doesn't erase existing copyright, but there's
no new copyright. And so this, like, new fan video exists in
the public domain. And so there's this very weird right
situation where if you if you wrote fanfic or you made a a
video and uploaded it to YouTube, right, you would own
the copyright in the video. You would own the copyright in the,
you know, the the fanfic writing that you did, and Disney would
own the copyright in the characters.
And so there'd be some kind of tension between, you know, the
two of you. In this case, at least legally, there's no real
tension. You own nothing. Disney owns something. Now there are
non legal reasons that Disney might want might wanna, you
know, work something out with you before they feature it on
Disney plus or whatever.
But the legal posture is very weird and very different.
Hans Buetow: Do you think this is
gonna affect the terms of service of using Sora and
OpenAI?
Michael Weinberg: I mean, it may. I you know, on some level,
I assume that I I would expect that there's gonna be some kind
of path that if you use SOAR and OpenAI and use Disney
characters, you are explicitly giving Disney rights to do some
number of things. Even if you don't have any rights to give
them, Disney's lawyers are conservative. They're gonna make
sure there's an additional layer of the agreement there. And so
this is another thing that we don't know.
Hans Buetow: Mhmm.
Michael Weinberg: Right? We don't know what you are giving
to Disney in return for being able to incorporate their
characters into whatever you generate.
Hans Buetow: What is gonna be your first prompt that you're
gonna put into Sora?
Michael Weinberg: I don't mean, you know, like, I just wanna you
really gotta you, like, look down the list of the characters
and find the deepest cut and then the weirdest thing and
really kind of go nuts. I mean, the beauty of this, the beauty
of the Internet, when we're still thinking about the
positive parts of the Internet, is there's gonna be a lot of
people who stress test us better than I would. So I can just
kinda sit back and watch what happens for a while. I don't
have to drive the train. I can just watch it go by.
Hans Buetow: It's gonna be fascinating to see what happens
when Disney shuts down with the full force that Disney comes at
something, something the Internet has fallen in love
with.
Michael Weinberg: Totally. I mean, this is this is going to
be I mean, we see this we see this regularly with things on
YouTube. Right? Where there's a community that is built up,
people love it. You know, Disney has has no real experience with
the fan community in this way.
And if Disney starts changing its position, it's gonna take
time for everyone to renormalize around it. And a thing that you
see sometimes in these fan communities is a sense of
exploitation. Right?
Hans Buetow: Mhmm.
Michael Weinberg: We are generating all these things.
We're generating the energy. We're generating the new ideas.
We have this new stuff. Disney, you swoop in and you take what
you want, and then you say no to other things.
Yeah. And that could be a moment for people to really kind of
reevaluate how they think about the fairness of that
relationship and how Disney is as a steward of what is a shared
cultural property in a lot of ways.
Hans Buetow: Well, Michael Weinberg, in terms of fandoms,
I'm a fan of yours. And I really appreciate you popping in from
Berlin emergency style to help us understand what to look for
as this thing develops. So thanks so much for joining us.
Thank you. Alright, Mike.
Back to you.
Mike Rugnetta: Alright. That's the news we have for you this
week. In this episode, Dexter Thomas from Killswitch talks
with Jeremy Busby about his tenuous connection to the
outside world via the internet from prison. Dexter, thank you
so much for joining us. We're huge fans of yours and of the
show, so it's great to have you on Neverpost.
Dexter Thomas: Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much for having me
on here. This is amazing.
Mike Rugnetta: We're gonna hear a Killswitch episode,
essentially, as a Neverpost episode. Just so folks sort of
like know what they're about to hear and have some context, I
just wanna ask you a few, like, really broad questions both
about yourself and about the story that we're about to hear.
Sure. Because you mentioned in what we're about to hear that
you're a journalist, you've reported on prisons in the past,
you've reported on the Internet in the past. So I'm just curious
like, what has that work been for you and how did it lead you
eventually to Killswitch?
Dexter Thomas: Yeah. Killswitch, the podcast we work on now, is
basically a podcast about living in the future and how the future
has arrived. Nobody wants it. It sucks. But how did we get here,
and is there anything we can do about it?
So the back end of that is that I used to work at Vice, and a
lot of my reporting was broadly speaking, it was like culture
reporting. So, you know, I'd be in China hanging out with
rappers. I'd be in South Africa talking to people about
elections. I'd be in Ohio talking about opioid epidemics.
So for me, all of that is culture.
And increasingly, you know, a lot so much culture is online
where even saying that is kind of redundant, like saying online
culture, like, of course, everybody's online. Who doesn't
have a phone? For me, I've always been really interested in
technology. You know, I'm one of those people who, like, I daily
drive Linux. If you don't know what that means, good.
Your life is you're living a healthy, normal adjusted life. I
don't recommend that as a life choice for anybody.
Mike Rugnetta: Not a rabbit hole to fall into. Just stay away
from the edge of that one. Yeah.
Dexter Thomas: Yeah. It's fine. You you don't you don't need to
do that to yourself. But I'm just really interested in how
people use technology to do unexpected things. And
Killswitch, we were really clear that, alright, this isn't just
gonna be like iPhone reviews.
This is gonna be what does technology mean in every part of
your life for everybody. And I mean, and this is actually the
second episode we've done about what we're gonna talk about
about prisons, and people who were incarcerated also use
technology whether they're supposed to or not.
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. What you mentioned, you know, people
doing strange things with technology, but you also do a
lot of stories about technology appearing or unexpected pieces
of technology appearing in maybe what for a lot of people are
unexpected places.
Dexter Thomas: Yeah.
Mike Rugnetta: And that's actually the next thing I wanted
to ask was, you mentioned in the story previous reporting that
you did about tablets in prison. And I was wondering if you could
talk a little bit about what that was.
Dexter Thomas: Yeah. So that was actually a colleague of mine,
Gabby Kaplan, who we interviewed about this, and basically, I
talked to her about the fact that there have been tablets. I
mean, just think of very, very cheap, not very well equipped
iPads that are available for purchase
Mike Rugnetta: Of course.
Dexter Thomas: In some prisons. Right? In some prisons and in
some jails, and they cost a bunch of money, but you could
pay money to, for example, send a message to the outside world
and receive a message, you know, with their mom on the outside
Yeah. Or their kids on the outside. And then all of a
sudden that's shut down with no real explanation.
And if you look at it, this is kind of like a consumer
technology story, which is like, yo, you bought this product and
then the company disabled the main feature. But then also,
what does it mean when you've got a population of people who
because the jails, you know, and the prisons keep going on
lockdown, which means that you're not able to leave your
cell. These people have to come home at some point. Yeah. They
do ten years in a completely different society, a very
violent and dangerous society, and they come back outside and
they haven't spoken to anybody, do you think they're going to be
able to reintegrate into society very well?
It's gonna be very difficult for them. So this is a safety issue
even for the people on the outside, really.
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. It's a consumer technology issue that
has a lot of ripple effects.
Dexter Thomas: Yes. Yes.
Mike Rugnetta: So we heard this story and we had just to provide
some background for the audience, Neverpost has an open
line of communication. We go back and forth with the Freedom
of the Press Foundation. And they had actually mentioned to
us, they were like, hey, we know this guy, Jeremy Busby. Would
you be interested in talking to him? He's a journalist that is
incarcerated on a seventy five year sentence.
And we were like, we would love to hear what conversation Jeremy
would have with Dexter, which is sort of how how we ended up
doing like 2% of co production for this. Much more than that.
I'm so excited for everybody to hear it. So this is what
everybody is about to hear. It's this conversation between you
and Jeremy who has already served is it twenty five years?
Dexter Thomas: I think in about there. Yeah.
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. And while being incarcerated during this
time, he's become a journalist, which he's really only been able
to do because of what is effectively an illicit Internet
connection that he has in prison. And I was wondering if
you could just like paint a little bit of a picture for us
about what what internet access tends to look like in prison,
and just maybe the smallest little teaser about how it's
different for Jeremy or or how he fits into that.
Dexter Thomas: Yeah. Well, the funny thing is Internet access
in prison has changed a lot. You know, one of the things that we
don't talk about in this particular episode is what
people call prison talk as in like TikTok and prison talk. So,
you know, you got like book talk, which is book, you know,
people making TikToks about books.
Mike Rugnetta: The sort of subgenre marker.
Dexter Thomas: Yeah. Exactly. There's this prison talk, which
is all over the place, but a lot of people know it as somebody
will have a phone on the inside, which again, they're not
supposed to do this, but they make it inside anyway. And
people are doing all the things that you would expect somebody
to do on TikTok normally. There's people doing dance
challenges.
There's people cooking is really common, people showing how they
cook a ramen, make burritos, make anything. But then also
talking about conditions on the inside. What is more unique
though is what Jeremy is doing, which is actually functioning as
he's he's just a journalist. Realistically speaking, he and I
are colleagues. We're colleagues, and he's just doing
it under much much more difficult conditions than I've
ever had to deal with.
But he also has a degree of access that I could never have.
Listen, I've tried. I have I've gone through all of the proper
outlets. I've done the things where you ask the warden, where
you write an email, where you make phone calls and you say,
hey, we would like to report on this, we'd like to interview
this person and it's oh, hey, this isn't a good time, hey,
we're short staffed, hey, we're busy, hey, just no.
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah, I'm sure.
Dexter Thomas: What Jeremy is able to do, and I really want
people to understand this, some of the things that Jeremy has
exposed and some of the things that Jeremy has genuinely
changed about the inside and for people, not only himself, but
other people who are in the system, including the guards,
potentially improving the lives of the guards, not just people
who are incarcerated. These are things that I could never do. If
you're listening to this, more than likely you could never do.
Mike Rugnetta: And I mean, this comes through in the in the
story, but like, it really seems like he's got a force of will
that is unparalleled. Mhmm. He is doing things in just
unthinkable conditions that like are unbelievable. It's
unbelievable to hear what he pulls off.
Dexter Thomas: Yeah. There are a couple moments. It gets super
real super quick because just the conditions you were made
aware of it a couple of times. This what it's like when you
communicate with somebody who's locked up, is you're constantly
being interrupted and you're constantly being reminded that,
for me, this is just a this is a phone call, But for them, this
is much more dire than that.
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah. Alright. Well, I'm excited for everybody
to hear this conversation.
Dexter Thomas: Same. So let's
Mike Rugnetta: Yeah.
Let's let's stop keeping them from it. Yeah.
Jeremy Busby: The first time I've seen social media, I was at
the wind unit in Huntsville, Texas. I think it's like around
2011.
Dexter Thomas: Jeremy Busby is 48 years old. We talked back in
October about the Internet and social media, but what's
different about this interview is that Jeremy's calling me from
a prison in Huntsville, Texas. Jeremy's been in prison since
1999. Back then, the internet was a different place.
Jeremy Busby: I didn't know anything about Facebook or
Twitter, but I knew about Myspace. Because when I was a
free society, Myspace was just becoming a thing. So I knew
about that.
Dexter Thomas: Jeremy didn't really have any contact with
social media until the early twenty tens. A few years after
Facebook was already popular.
Jeremy Busby: A friend of mine had a contraband cell phone. He
was fresh from the free society. He had just come to prison. And
so this was his whole entire livelihood, social media. It was
all about social media.
Dexter Thomas: Since Jeremy's been locked up, social media has
gone through a few different phases. It went from this weird
hobby that college kids and computer nerds were into, to
this new hopeful way to spread democracy, to now a more
pessimistic view of this thing that gives us short attention
spans, causes addictive behavior, and makes politics
more polarized. But in prison, the situation is a little
different.
Jeremy Busby: In 2020, when the pandemic hit, Texas prison
system had no protocol on how to deal with the COVID nineteen
pandemic. My cellmate had two cell phones. He was like, man,
listen. You can use another phone. He's just sitting right
there, man.
I pay the bill. You can use it if you wanna use it. And so,
finally, man, I grabbed the phone, and the first thing I did
is I went to YouTube, and I googled how do you set up a
Facebook page. So I learned Facebook. I learned Instagram.
I learned Twitter. I learned how to edit videos. I learned how to
make slides. I learned how to get the message out on
Instagram, how to get the message out on YouTube. And
that's how me and Trey end up on live.
Dexter Thomas: In 2020, during the peak of the COVID nineteen
pandemic, Jeremy went live on Instagram with a rapper named
Trey the truth to talk about the conditions inside the Texas
state prison. That put a lot more eyes on what was happening
in there.
TikTok: What unit is can't tell you the unit, bro, but I can
tell you I'm in Texas. It's getting serious down here, man.
Brother, you know, they dying from this corona, man. You said
they cut the phones off. They're not dangling y'all car home?
No. They got everything racked up, man. They got I think it's,
like, 35 units on lockdown. For everybody on here, what's the
what's the best way for us to do? We need to write Huntsville.
We need to call Huntsville.
Dexter Thomas: Social media is giving us unfiltered access into
prisons, something that we'd never had before. But we may not
have it for much longer.
Jeremy Busby: You gotta look at prison like in the same context
as you look at the slavery. Not only do these people try to
control what goes out the prison, they try to control what
comes into the prison.
Dexter Thomas: Before we get into Jeremy's experiences with
social media, we should probably do some backstory. The reason
that Jeremy's in prison starts when he was 21 years old. It was
10/01/1998 at a motel in Dallas County. Here's how Jeremy
explains it.
Jeremy Busby: I pulled up in a motel about four or 05:00 in the
morning. There was a couple of guys out in the motel selling
drugs, and so they tried to sell me some drugs. And so we got
into an argument in the middle of the parking lot because they
was persistent. The argument turned into threats, he took his
shirt off like he was gonna try to assault me or whatever the
case may be. His friend tried to hold him back.
He wasn't able to. And so when he ran towards me, I pulled a
gun. I shot him one time, and that was in 1998 and that
resulted in me getting a seventy five year prison sentence for
murder.
Dexter Thomas: Jeremy is now on his twenty seventh year of a
seventy five year sentence.
Jeremy Busby: My mistake was I left the scene of the crime.
When it happened, I panicked and I fled. And that was the biggest
mistake that I could have made because when they came down to
my trial, that's pretty much what the DA relied upon was the
fact that, you know, if mister Busby really felt like that this
theft defense, why he didn't just wait for the police to
come, why did he flee and all of that, how the kid is from the
hood. And, you know, we don't really deal with the police too
much when something like that happen. It's just a natural
reaction to flee.
But nevertheless, instead of crying out with spilled milk, I
decided to come to prison and identify the areas where I went
wrong that possibly led me to come into prison for the
sentence and then making all of the necessary steps that I
needed to make to ensure that this doesn't ever happen to me
again. Right? Which includes my problem solving skills, my
conflict resolution skills, my coping mechanisms, all of these
things that I wasn't taught during my youth.
Dexter Thomas: Pretty soon after Jeremy arrived in prison, he
realized that he had something that the other incarcerated men
around him didn't have.
Jeremy Busby: When I first got to prison, one of the things
that I noticed despite the fact that I had dropped out of school
in the eighth grade, I could read and write and comprehend
better than the majority of the people that was in Texas prison.
And so as a result of that, I became like a person that would
help people write letters to their families. I was going down
to the La La Berry to help people because I'm working on my
own personal case. But as I was learning, I'm helping them
interpret and learn the law. And then finally, I got in contact
with an attorney named Dunya Witherspoon.
Poon. We became real good friends. And she started writing
me because she had heard about my case and she wanted to help
me out. And so all of these letters that I was writing to
her, she eventually say, Jeremy, listen. I wanna take some of
these letters and start sending them to the newspaper because
you're a real good writer and the stuff that you're writing me
is about prisons.
And a lot of people on the outside don't understand
everything that you understand and you do such a good job
articulating this.
Dexter Thomas: So with Danya's encouragement, Jeremy began the
next phase of his life as a journalist, just one who's
reporting from inside the prison. In general, even if a
journalist like me tries to go and observe things, prison
officials can be very restrictive of what you can do.
So having a journalist on the inside like Jeremy means the
people in the outside world can get a more unfiltered look at a
world that was almost invisible to most of us before.
Jeremy Busby: They already have this tedious tedious process of
of open records act like a person like you wanted to file
to get something on me. They'll put you through so much stuff to
try to get it, and then you might not even get it. And then
they might repack whatever you get and all of that crap. And so
it's all a universal game of censorship.
Dexter Thomas: Jeremy knew that he could provide information to
people on the outside. He just didn't know if anyone would care
what he was saying. It turned out, some people did.
Jeremy Busby: Back in, 2003, I wrote an article for the San
Francisco Review about the heat in Texas prison system and how
we don't have any air condition here. They don't give us any
type of relief as far as, like, cold water or any type of cold
showers or anything like that to negate the extensive heat in the
prison system. Of course, everyone knows detectives has
very hot summers. And most of these structures that we have
was built in the mid eighteen hundreds, early nineteen
hundreds. They're all out of brick and steel, and they don't
have any type of modern ventilation or anything of that
nature.
And so if you don't have family members on the outside that can
send you money to buy a t shirt or buy a pair of gym shorts or
buy a pair of tennis shoes, then you gotta wear your state
uniform the whole entire time. It makes you even hotter.
There's been temperatures recorded inside of the cell
block inside of these buildings sometimes that have exceeded
over a 165 degrees in certain places. In order to combat the
heat, this is what I used to have to do. I go in my cell, and
I have to put, like, maybe a couple of gallons of water on
the floor.
And I had to strip all the way down to my boxer shorts, and I
had to lay in that water. And you have to repeat that process
over and over and over and over again just to maintain a body
temperature that prohibits you from having a heat stroke. And
you have some guys that are, like, put their shirts in the
water, they and wear their shirt while it's wet because we don't
have a shower that you can just go walk and get into the shower.
It's like one shower per day room. I think we was averaging
something close to, like, ten to fifteen heat related deaths
every single summer in Texas prison.
Dexter Thomas: Oh my gosh.
Jeremy Busby: It felt like the numbers can be a lot more
because they'll come back after the autopsy or whatever and say,
this guy died from complications of diabetes or he died from
complications of hypertension. But the truth of the matter is
there was the heat that triggered all of it and it was
the heat related illness that caused death. And so I had wrote
this long article to the San Francisco Bayview, and I
basically said, listen. There's nothing for these people to
bring down coolers and fill them up with ice every morning and
allow us to be able to drink cold water throughout the day.
And that could possibly save one, two, maybe ten, maybe a
hundred lives.
Right? When I wrote that, some days later, they came with a
whole big cart full of yellow igloo coolers that was filled up
with ice, and they put one on every single set of block.
Dexter Thomas: Wow. That immediate.
Jeremy Busby: Yeah. That immediately. And then my editor
at the time was Mary Ratcliffe at the San Francisco Bayview,
and she told me that they politely sent her a letter
asking her if she can retract my article because they had solved
the problem.
Dexter Thomas: We reached out to the Texas Department of Criminal
Justice about Jeremy saying that they'd asked for his article to
be retracted. They declined to comment. After Jeremy wrote his
article on the heat inside prisons, he's also reported on
overdoses and suicide in prison, experiencing executions
happening near his cell, and what happens when the prison
goes on lockdown. His works appeared in places that
specialize in reporting on prisons like the Marshall
Project, but it's also been in publications that the general
public reads, like Slate Magazine or the Columbia
Journalism Review. But getting those articles out isn't always
easy.
Jeremy Busby: As an incarcerated journalist, I have this hill
that I have to climb with these legacy media outlets. I have to
cross all of my t's. I have to dot all of my i's. I damn near
have to put them in contact with the warden for the warden to
say, yeah. Everything that Jeremy wrote is legit.
And so a lot of times, some of the stuff that the people write
being incarcerated, they write to these media outlets, that
stuff never gets to the press because some editor somewhere
saying, hey, man. I can't find what we can substantiate this. I
don't know if this really is going on or whatever the case
may be. So it ends up in somebody's shredder. Now as you
know from being on the outside in journalism, when you got
social media, you can skip the whole entire legacy media outlet
process.
You have a a unobstructed avenue to put the information out that
you wanna put out.
Dexter Thomas: The ability to communicate directly with the
outside world is crucial for Jeremy. But how does he do it?
So there are two main ways that incarcerated people can
communicate through social media. The first one is directly
through a contraband cell phone. These are against the rules, but
they make their way into prisons all the time.
The other way is to call or write to someone who's on the
outside and have them post on your behalf. Jeremy's done both.
Either way, social media gives Jeremy a way to show his
perspective from prison directly without being filtered through
prison officials or waiting for a local media outlet who
believes his reporting or hoping that some outside reporter would
take interest and cover it for him. The best example of this is
when COVID hit. His cellmate had a contraband cell phone, and so
Jeremy was able to directly broadcast what was actually
happening and get immediate responses to help the
incarcerated people around him.
Jeremy Busby: I'm researching this COVID nineteen coronavirus
and all of the precautions that we need in order to safeguard
ourselves from contracting it. One of the main two things that
they ask you to do, well, it's really three things. They ask
you to social distance, to wear our n 95 mask, and to properly
sanitize your hands. Right? So Texas prison system, what they
did, they cut up a bunch of sheets and put little springs on
the side of the sheets, and they was issuing those sheets out to
us.
It's like an n 95 mask. It's a cut up sheet.
Dexter Thomas: It's bed sheets. Okay. Yeah.
Jeremy Busby: Yeah. It's bed sheets. Secondly, they wasn't
passing out any type of sanitation chemicals, like hand
sanitizer or anything of that nature. And then thirdly, it was
impossible for us to social distance because they got us
locked in a cell with another person. So my reporting on all
of that and social media got us the n 95 mask.
They got us the bleach. They started passing us real food out
for our nutrition like bananas and apples and grilled milk.
Dexter Thomas: Again, we asked the Texas Department of Criminal
Justice about this and they declined to comment. Ask most
people what they think about social media and they'll tell
you that there's good parts, but also a lot of bad parts. Echo
chambers, misinformation, all that. Jeremy's aware of this
stuff, but he's also aware that social media is how a lot of
people get their news. For him, that's an opportunity to speak,
but also to learn.
Jeremy Busby: One of the things that social media did for me is
that when I even had an idea of an article or if I wrote the
article out itself, all different type of people will
start sending me additional information to either support or
negate or to advance the topic matters that I found
interesting. Right? And what I realized about social media is
that I can reach people all around the world just opposed
to, like, if I write for a local publication, I might reach
people right here in Texas. If I write for a national
publication, I might get 30 to 35% of the nation. But when I
post something on social media, I can circulate that all over
the world and even translate it into all different type of
languages.
I was talking to people as far away as Switzerland about the
situation in Texas prison. I know now that I don't
necessarily have to put one of my articles in a publication. I
can just drop it in the thread on egg, and it'd have the same
value that it would have if I had dropped it in competition
like the Imperial.
Dexter Thomas: Once Jeremy found a way to use social media, he
suddenly had access to a whole world that he didn't before. But
that's starting to change. Cell phones have always been
contraband, but now prisons across the country are really
cracking down on social media access. We'll get into how and
why after the break.
Jeremy Busby: One of the first things that they told me when I
became a journalist in prison, the warden called me up, and he
talked to me about those two fence that surround the prison,
the perimeter fence with the barbed wire. And he asked me, he
said, Buster, why do you think we got those two fence out there
with the barbed wire? And I said, well, that's to keep
people from escaping. He said, no. That's the wrong answer.
We're not worried about anybody escaping. That's to keep the
public out of here. And when you write what you write and give
these people entry to come into my prison, you're bringing them
over my damn fence, and I don't like that. That's what the
warden told me. And so the social media ban prohibits
people from bringing the general public over the fence.
Dexter Thomas: In 2016, the state of Texas where Jeremy's
incarcerated added a brand new rule to the state's prison
handbook. The rule essentially banned incarcerated people from
having any personal social media pages run-in their name, meaning
that no one outside of prison is supposed to even run an account
on Jeremy's behalf. Similar bans have also been put in places in
other states like Alabama and Iowa. And last year, the US
Federal Bureau of Prisons proposed a rule like the one in
Texas, but that would apply across the entire federal prison
system. If an incarcerated person was found to have a
social media account, that violation would be treated as a
high severity level offense.
That's the same category that's applied to things like fighting
in prison.
Jeremy Busby: That barrier that the prison administration had to
continue the status quo no longer exist for them. And so
therefore, they gotta do whatever they gotta do to put
that back in place. So they got their social media bans.
Dexter Thomas: Back in 2016, when the Texas Department of
Criminal Justice put their social media ban in place, they
told Vice News that, quote, offenders have used social media
accounts to sell items over the Internet based on the notoriety
of their crime, harass victims or victims' families, and
continue their criminal activity. The department went on
to say that they would, quote, take all of the necessary steps
to prevent that from happening. We contacted them to ask whether
that's still the reason for the ban today. They declined to
comment. But, again, there's another side of this.
If we wanna talk about criminal activity, we have to acknowledge
that social media is exposing allegedly unlawful activity that
the outside world should know about.
Jeremy Busby: Now you can take a picture or shoot a video about
what's going on here at the prison system and put that on
Facebook or Instagram, and it's gonna go viral, and it's gonna
cost people their jobs. So that scares the hell out of prison
officials. It scares the hell out of them. Right? Because now,
like, what happened with me, the No Way Out documentary when I
worked with Carrie Blackinger behind the COVID You have one
minute left.
Okay. Damn. When I went live with Tray the Truth, I was able
to do all of that unrestricted without having to wrestle with
any type of mega media outlet or anything like that. We just
dropped it. And it caused a whole bunch of backlash.
Let me call you back one more time.
Dexter Thomas: Okay. Phone calls in Jeremy's unit are limited to
thirty minutes, so we had to reconnect a few times during the
interview. That's why you might hear Jeremy rush through
sentences sometimes. He's just trying to get out as much as
possible before he gets cut off. But what he's getting at here is
important.
When word gets out about conditions on the inside, it can
make things hard for the officials who work there. Jeremy
thinks that the bans are partially there to stop that
from happening. But banning stuff from making rules is one
thing. The next step is the current Trump administration
wants to make it physically impossible to communicate
directly with the outside.
Jeremy Busby: Brandon Carr now from the FCC, they're going
around trying to pass this new law where they can put cell
phone jammers up outside of privilege.
Dexter Thomas: Cell phone jammers are devices that can
block cell phone signals within a certain range. These devices
in general are illegal, partially because they're
dangerous. I mean, think about it. If cell signals can't get
through, you can't call the paramedics or they can't find
you. So obviously, the general public can't have them.
But for that same reason, in general, even state and local
law enforcement can't legally use them. But recently, the FCC
is considering letting prisons use these jammers to block
contraband cell phone use.
Jeremy Busby: They want people to think that people utilizing
these phones to organize criminal activity. And you might
have a handful of people that might utilize the country band
cell phone organized criminal activity. But from being
incarcerated almost thirty years, I'm a tell you that the
majority of the people that using country band cell phones
are trying to connect with long lost family members, loved ones,
childhood friends, and other people like myself are utilizing
it to report on the conditions of the prison. And then you got
third demographic of people that just wanna watch porn and movies
and videos and things of that nature. Right?
There's very few people that utilize the phone to organize
criminal activity, but the prison officials, they're that
the person that's incarcerated is gonna take the phone and
expose them, and so that's the reason why they're pushing this.
Dexter Thomas: Despite all these attempts to block incarcerated
people's access to social media, Jeremy's been able to report out
what's going on in prison. But when he has, he says he's been
retaliated against.
Jeremy Busby: The nature of my career is when I write
something, it don't take very long for them to come down and
talk to me or try to or intimidate or, you know, and all
of that. I'm public enemy number one with these people. If you
say anything that people don't like, they can go look through
your files and possibly subject you to some type of political
prosecution or or file a lawsuit on you or smear your name or
come kick in your door or or lock you up and spray you with
chemical agents and all that. I've been through all of that.
But you don't have as many people like myself that's really
speaking out against these people because they're come
after you.
Right? They're take all of your property. They're gonna transfer
you to different units. They're gonna put you in solitary
confinement. Last year, I've been transferred to four
different units.
Each time I get to the unit, I'm spending days in the cell with
no mattress, no sheets, no blankets, no basic necessities
like soap, toothpaste, and deodorant. This is the stuff
that you go through. And so for the majority of the people in
prison here, hey, man. Just put your head down and don't say
nothing. And they don't come after you.
I have never took that approach because I understand what that
approach does to a person. When you put your head down for so
many times after so many years, that becomes an intricate part
of your character and who you are. And I don't wanna live like
that. And so I resist. And I do it in the best of manners.
Right? I don't never write anything ever that I don't try
to work with administration first on and say, here's the
problem right here. I'm thinking about writing this, but if we
can solve this problem, will I forget about writing it? It's
only when they're not interested in solving a problem that I know
I can write and get the problem solved. So as a result of that,
Jeremy Busby is public enemy number one.
I'm the number one agitator, whatever they wanna call me,
but, you know, I I don't really, you know, I don't really call it
agitation. Right? I call it's like good trouble, like John
Lewis called it good trouble. Right? This is good trouble.
Dexter Thomas: Earlier this year, when the Columbia
Journalism Review asked Texas prison officials about Jeremy's
claims that he's being retaliated against, they denied
it. When we asked them, they declined a comment. Right now,
as we record this episode, Jeremy's in solitary confinement
for what he says is a response to his reporting. More on that
after the break. So hold on.
Jimmy, you're in solitary right now?
Jeremy Busby: Yeah. I'm in solitary confinement right now.
I'm talking to you from a solitary confinement cell. My
cell is about the size of your king-size mattress. That's the
whole size of my cell.
I got a toilet and a sink a steel combo right here. I got a
desk, and I got a metal bunk that I lay on. And I'm confined
to this cell twenty four hours a day. There are no windows. I
can't tell you if it's nighttime or daytime.
The only thing that I can see is directly in front of myself when
somebody walked past. It's got a solid steel door with two
plexiglass windows on the front of it and a solid steel door
that goes all the way down to the bottom, so I can't even
slide anything out of the bottom. I don't even have any
communication with anybody except for the guard. So it's
mentally crippling, and everybody understands that it's
mentally crippling because it cuts you all the way off from
human to human contact.
Dexter Thomas: If you remember our episode on tablets in
prison, Jeremy says that they were recently given one of those
state issued tablet devices that lets them watch religious and
educational programming. And from 2PM to 8PM daily, he can
pay to make phone calls if it's to a number that has registered
to receive a call from the prison. How long you been in
there?
Jeremy Busby: I've been in Sanitary confinement since June
2024.
Dexter Thomas: Over a year?
Jeremy Busby: Over a year. No disciplinary cases. Nothing. The
guards always ask me all the time, hey, man. Why they got you
in here buzzed me?
And I tell them just Google me. And then they come back and say,
okay. I know why they got you in here. Right? Then I even had a
have someone come to me say, hey, man.
Won't you just quit being a journalist so they can let you
out of here? And I'm like, you know, there's certain trade offs
that I'm just not willing to make. Right? And these people,
they they continue to try to harass me and police and, you
know, do a lot of things that they do because of of my
journalism then, hey. That's just to hear that I'm a down.
Right? That's to hear that I'm down. Because I didn't have very
much Dexter when I came to prison. You know, I grew up. My
mom I lost my mom when I was four.
My dad has always been a deadbeat. I dropped out of
school when I was eight, and I was running the streets and all
of that. And so all of the meaningful things that I was
able to obtain for myself during my incarceration, I'll be damned
if I'm a give that back to anybody.
Dexter Thomas: You were talking about the Was somebody knocking
back there?
Jeremy Busby: Hey. No. I ain't got it.
Dexter Thomas: So in the middle of our interview, we were
interrupted by a guard knocking on Jeremy Seldor.
Jeremy Busby: Hey. Hey. Look out. Hold on. Shut up, screaming
for a minute.
Hey, man. I wish you would quit doing that. I'm on the
telephone. I asked you I asked you to quit doing that, but I'm
on the telephone. You what?
I asked you to quit beating on the door because I'm on the
telephone. You're in the rest of my telephone call. I asked you
that privilege. That's the fifth time you did that today, and I
asked you to quit doing that. I I know you didn't get that the
time.
Okay. I'm stupid. I'm sorry about that. Now you got you got
some officers that he's sitting here, he's shit as long as the
phone, so he just gonna come and just beat on the door, beat on
the door, beat on the door. But anyway, I'm sorry about that.
Dexter Thomas: It's all good. It's all good, man. Who was
that? What happened just now?
Jeremy Busby: That's a guard. No. He's a guard. Right? What
they do is they come by every five, ten, fifteen minutes and
just beat on the door with the bar thing that they got.
He done that times today. He's trying to antagonize me. He's
trying to get the reaction that he just got to know that he's
getting up under my skin. They do stuff like that. And so but I
talked to him politely, you know, first couple of times.
I say, hey, sir. If you don't mind, and you come to the door,
you can see me in the door, my light is on. I'm moving around
in my cell. Why do you feel like you have to beat on the door for
five minutes? He has a language barrier.
His English is not very good. And so he came back and did it
again. And I said, hey, man. Do you understand you disturb
people's peace when you're doing all of this? But, anyway, so
here it is.
He came to work at 07:00 this morning. It's 03:00, and this is
the fifth time that he's been to my cell and done this crap.
Dexter Thomas: Oh my gosh.
Jeremy Busby: I'm sorry about that Dexter, Rick.
Dexter Thomas: No. You don't got to apologize to me.
Jeremy Busby: Alright.
Dexter Thomas: Hearing what Jeremy has to go through just to
survive is a lot. I can't imagine what it's like to be
doing journalistic reporting. And then on top of that
Jeremy Busby: We did a no kings protest real quick. So I don't
have to deny the No Kings protest. Right?
Dexter Thomas: You know Jeremy, you organized a No Kings protest
in there?
Jeremy Busby: Hell yeah. Hell yeah. Jeremy. Hey, man. This
this stuff is serious, bro.
I'm a tell you how I organize it. Okay? Because I like the
dudes that's down the road from me, he sent me a letter and
telling me that his niece came home and her mom and her dad had
been picked up by ice. No. So his niece came home from school
and her parents was gone.
Then I got this other guy. He's telling me about how his mom
been working for the federal government in Houston at NASA
for all of these years and the government shutdown then
furloughed her. Right? So she's not able to send any money for
his commissary and put money on his phone. So when I got
thinking about all of this, I'm telling all of these dudes over
here where I'm at, like, hey, man.
This thing that Trump got going on is affecting all of us. And
we need to protest and stand in solidarity with the people on
our side. Okay, Jeremy, what you got in mind? Okay. Listen.
For this Saturday, we're gonna not accept our food. If anybody
need food, let me know. I'll send you some food to eat, And
we're put signs on our door that say no food, no talk, no keys.
Dexter Thomas: Wow.
Jeremy Busby: We did that.
Dexter Thomas: Oh my gosh.
Jeremy Busby: So it was peaceful all the way up to about 08:00 at
night. They wanted the guys that we recruited. He's not all the
way there. And so he started talking like, you know, man,
damn. Just deny my food.
I'm ready to split it off. So he said there's, like, three alarm
fire in his cell. Right? And this other guy manipulated the
lock on his cell, and he bust out the cell and just started
ripping the TVs off the wall. But what I'm showing you is
this.
Okay. These guys the guy that ripped the TV off the wall, that
don't hurt the prison officials. Those TVs are for us. And so now
all the TVs that you'd have ripped off, people can't watch
the news or whatever it is that they wanna watch. You're hurting
the whole community.
It it it they just tells you the mental deficiency that most
majority of the people could have and it's not mild.
According
Dexter Thomas: to Jeremy, the conditions of the system only
exacerbate the problems that he sees in prison. Along with
mental illness, he says that the prison system in Texas suffers
from problems with violence, drugs, and suicides. And to him,
these problems and the social media bans that they wanna put
in place, it's all related.
Jeremy Busby: It always been my position that when you destroy
family bonds and make it impossible for the families to
communicate, then that puts the person in bad situation. And
sometimes, in order to get out of that situation because of
what's going on in prison, you have to turn the door. My whole
thesis is, like, instead of putting money into further
destroying family ties, as far as taking people's own
privileges away, and putting them in a position to where they
can become more depressed and become more mentally disturbed
to where they have to increase their drug usage. Let's take
that same energy, those same resources, that same money as
let's put it towards trying to repair family bonds. Let's put
it towards trying to help people accumulate meaningful things
like so they can receive substance use.
Let's put it towards like putting people through
rehabilitation.
Dexter Thomas: I'm just gonna say this as a journalist who's
reported on prisons. I would never be able to bring you this
kind of insight. Jeremy's work provides something that's really
rare. It's a look at what's actually happening inside this
prison. But also, his work isn't just on behalf of the
incarcerated people.
There's one of your pieces that I was reading earlier today, and
it was an article, this is for the Chronicle. I wanna quote you
here. You said, for nearly three decades, I've watched this
broken system break people, both staff and the incarcerated.
Instead of returning prisoners back to their communities a
better version of themselves, prisons return them more
psychologically damaged, disenfranchised, and poor than
when they entered. I've seen staff members lose their
families, their drive to succeed, and even with suicide,
their lives.
I think people might be surprised to hear that you're
also advocating for staff members, for the guards.
Jeremy Busby: Yeah.
Dexter Thomas: Like the person who just came by and beat on
your door.
Jeremy Busby: Yeah. And that comes from my mentor is a
retired senior warden, Vernon Pitman. And one of the things
that Warren Pitman taught me about is that, hey, listen,
gentlemen, we all are human beings, whether if you made a
mistake and you in prison or if you made a mistake and you
worked for the prison, because everybody that worked for the
prison, they made a mistake. The people that work in prison and
the people that are in prison all come from the same
socioeconomic demographics. The majority of them either made it
through high school and went to the military and couldn't make
it.
Some of them dropped out of high school and got their GED and
started working at a low local fast food restaurant or
something. But it's very few people inside a prison that has
a college degree that works here. Very few people.
Dexter Thomas: I mean, it it really could be people who would
have been neighbors otherwise, and I guess they're neighbors
now.
Jeremy Busby: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Of course they're neighbors.
They of course they're neighbors.
And I'm telling y'all, let's just say this. The people that
work here are not the brightest people that you're find on
earth. So they easily manipulate it. And the same deficiencies
that I came to prison with, which is a lack of coping
skills, no conflict resolution, no constructive decision making
processes, or any of that. The same things that I came to
prison with the majority of these guards worked in the
prison with those same deficiencies.
Dexter Thomas: I gotta ask you this. Are you concerned about
talking to me about this?
Jeremy Busby: No. No. No. No. No.
Because I talk about this every chance that I get. None of this
is any secret. These people know what's going on. These people
done so much to me. There's nothing else that they can do.
I'm not worried about them killing me physically. Right?
There's nothing else that they can do to me for my journalism
that haven't already been done.
Dexter Thomas: So my conversation with Jeremy had me
thinking about another conversation I had a few months
ago with Gabby Kaplan. She's the journalist who's reported on the
tablets that have been issued in prisons across the country and
the federal government's efforts to limit the communication
abilities on those tablets. If you haven't heard that episode
yet, definitely check it I'll leave a link in the show notes.
But if you look at the comments online about her reporting, you
might see people arguing that, well, if you're in prison,
having a tablet or social media is a luxury. You shouldn't be
able to have that kind of luxury period.
Okay. That's an opinion. But I can read you an argument that
Jeremy Busby himself wrote in a recent article, and I'm just
gonna quote him here. Regulations that rob
incarcerated individuals of the ability to expose cruelties and
human rights violations and hold prison officials accountable
hurt more people and cause more negative societal consequences
than they prevent. Just ask those whose lives were saved or
drastically improved by reporting only made possible
with the use of contraband cell phones.
And then he closes that article with a request. Quote, give
journalists meaningful access records. Give incarcerated
people the tools to communicate with the outside world and
document abuses without censorship and retaliation, and
I'll never use a contraband cell phone again. Or better yet,
don't commit those abuses at all, end quote. Special thanks
this week to the Freedom of the Press Foundation and to the
Never Post podcast who introduced us to Jeremy and
helped make this whole episode possible.
And thank you once again for listening to Kill Switch. Kill
Switch is hosted by me, Dexter Thomas. It's produced by Sheena
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being there.
Certainly, one of those things that would come to pass. His
hand bends to greet you. Excerpt of a map folded by Bill Tuttle.
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