1 00:00:20,040 --> 00:00:23,415 Jane: This is But Why, a Podcast for Curious Kids from Vermont 2 00:00:23,415 --> 00:00:26,745 Public. I'm Jane Lindholm. On this show, we take questions 3 00:00:26,745 --> 00:00:30,075 from curious kids all over the world, just like you, and we 4 00:00:30,075 --> 00:00:34,695 find answers. As I'm recording this episode in mid-June of 5 00:00:34,815 --> 00:00:38,415 2026, there's something really big happening here in the United 6 00:00:38,415 --> 00:00:43,455 States and our neighbors, Canada and Mexico. And that is the FIFA 7 00:00:43,455 --> 00:00:47,820 World Cup. The Men's World Cup happens every four years, and 8 00:00:47,820 --> 00:00:50,910 there's a Women's World Cup that also happens at four year 9 00:00:50,910 --> 00:00:53,970 intervals, where athletes representing different countries 10 00:00:53,970 --> 00:00:57,780 compete against each other in a tournament of soccer... or 11 00:00:57,780 --> 00:01:01,620 should we be calling it football? This year, the men's 12 00:01:01,620 --> 00:01:05,130 tournament is happening across 16 North American cities, 13 00:01:05,130 --> 00:01:09,030 bringing athletes and fans from all over the world, like this 14 00:01:09,075 --> 00:01:12,495 young soccer fan and But Why listener who came to the US all 15 00:01:12,495 --> 00:01:14,535 the way from Scotland to catch a game. 16 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:20,810 Alex: Hi everyone, my name is Alex, I'm seven years old and I 17 00:01:20,990 --> 00:01:25,130 live in Glasgow, Scotland. I'm visiting Boston right now to 18 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:31,700 support Scotland at their first World Cup games in 28 years. Our 19 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:36,620 supporters are called the Tartan Army, and we've made lots of 20 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:41,350 friends in Boston so far. Because of this, Glasgow and 21 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,260 Boston are now twin cities. 22 00:01:44,900 --> 00:01:47,090 Jane: It's true. The mayor of the city of Boston, 23 00:01:47,090 --> 00:01:50,210 Massachusetts, and the Lord Provost of Glasgow, Scotland, 24 00:01:50,210 --> 00:01:53,090 have started the process to become what are also often 25 00:01:53,090 --> 00:01:57,440 called sister cities. The idea behind twin cities or sister 26 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:00,740 cities is to just help foster global peace and cultural 27 00:02:00,740 --> 00:02:04,520 exchanges. Sounds pretty awesome. Now, some of you might 28 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,060 really like watching or playing soccer, but not everyone is 29 00:02:08,105 --> 00:02:11,825 super into the sport or up on all of its lingo. So, this World 30 00:02:11,825 --> 00:02:15,125 Cup season, we really wanted to find someone who knows the sport 31 00:02:15,125 --> 00:02:19,205 inside and out, so we can learn all about soccer and the World 32 00:02:19,205 --> 00:02:23,705 Cup, and we found that someone, her name is Meg Linehan, and 33 00:02:23,705 --> 00:02:26,945 she's a sports reporter for a news outlet called The Athletic, 34 00:02:26,945 --> 00:02:29,825 which is part of the New York Times. In fact, she's the 35 00:02:29,825 --> 00:02:31,685 women's sports lead. 36 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:35,020 Meg Linehan: So I basically write about women's sports for a 37 00:02:35,020 --> 00:02:38,140 living. So I've covered some World Cups for the women, I've 38 00:02:38,140 --> 00:02:42,430 been to the Olympics, but basically I watch soccer, and 39 00:02:42,430 --> 00:02:44,410 then I write things about it. 40 00:02:44,410 --> 00:02:47,260 Jane: I mean, that sounds almost like a fake job. I get to watch 41 00:02:47,260 --> 00:02:49,960 soccer, and then, no, I gotta write a little bit. It sounds 42 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:50,950 pretty awesome. 43 00:02:50,950 --> 00:02:53,980 Meg Linehan: It is. I will say, for everyone saying it's a dream 44 00:02:54,025 --> 00:02:56,815 job, the dream part is important, but the job part is 45 00:02:56,815 --> 00:03:00,175 important. There's a lot of late nights, a lot of hecticness, 46 00:03:00,175 --> 00:03:03,535 that it is a job still. 47 00:03:03,535 --> 00:03:06,835 Jane: Right. Like, if you go to watch a soccer game, after the 48 00:03:06,835 --> 00:03:11,605 game is over, you're either excited or sad, and then maybe 49 00:03:11,605 --> 00:03:16,705 you get on the train, or you get in a car, or you walk home. You, 50 00:03:16,705 --> 00:03:19,690 that's kind of when your job starts or continues after the 51 00:03:19,690 --> 00:03:20,290 game ends. 52 00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:23,110 Meg Linehan: Definitely, let's say a game ends at 8o'clock at 53 00:03:23,110 --> 00:03:26,770 night. Sometimes I'm still working at 3o'clock in the 54 00:03:26,770 --> 00:03:28,240 morning. 55 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,270 Jane: I mean, for those of us who wish that somebody would not 56 00:03:31,270 --> 00:03:33,760 give us a bedtime, that might sound appealing, too. 57 00:03:33,760 --> 00:03:35,920 Meg Linehan: That's fair. That's fair. I mean, bedtimes, I will 58 00:03:35,920 --> 00:03:38,440 say in sports, if you want to work in sports, bedtimes are 59 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:40,030 very optional here. 60 00:03:40,910 --> 00:03:43,600 Jane: Meg and I met up at the soccer stadium at the University 61 00:03:43,660 --> 00:03:46,300 of Vermont, so we could watch a little soccer while we talked. 62 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,470 Members of the semi-professional Vermont Green FC were in the 63 00:03:50,530 --> 00:03:53,830 middle of practice that morning, running drills, and at least 64 00:03:53,890 --> 00:03:56,830 appearing to have a great time as they worked on improving 65 00:03:56,890 --> 00:03:59,650 their dribbling, kicking, and goalkeeping skills in 66 00:03:59,740 --> 00:04:03,150 preparation for their next game, it was pretty cool to sit down 67 00:04:03,420 --> 00:04:06,540 right at field level and watch them play, especially since 68 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,330 their games are usually sold out and it's hard to get a ticket. 69 00:04:10,470 --> 00:04:12,990 Meg and I figured we ought to start with some questions about 70 00:04:12,990 --> 00:04:16,200 the World Cup, since so many of you are excited about the games 71 00:04:16,290 --> 00:04:18,570 going on right now all across North America. 72 00:04:19,289 --> 00:04:23,329 Ace: My name is Ace, I'm nine years old, and I'm from Denver, 73 00:04:23,449 --> 00:04:28,279 Colorado. And my question is, when was the first World Cup? 74 00:04:28,690 --> 00:04:32,410 Meg Linehan: So, the first Men's World Cup was played in 1930 in 75 00:04:32,410 --> 00:04:35,980 Uruguay, in South America, and what was really interesting 76 00:04:35,980 --> 00:04:39,070 about that is there's actually no qualification, right? Like, 77 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:43,540 right now teams have to fight to be in the World Cup. Only 13 78 00:04:43,540 --> 00:04:47,530 teams showed up, only four made it over from Europe, but they 79 00:04:47,530 --> 00:04:50,740 actually had to take boats from Europe to get to Uruguay for 80 00:04:50,740 --> 00:04:53,575 this tournament. And Uruguay won the first one. They beat 81 00:04:53,575 --> 00:04:56,725 Argentina. The US did go to this World Cup, and they finished 82 00:04:56,725 --> 00:05:01,105 third. So historically, our best ever result was at the first 83 00:05:01,105 --> 00:05:05,095 World Cup in 1930. Now the first Women's World Cup was 1991 but 84 00:05:05,095 --> 00:05:08,485 it wasn't actually called that. It eventually became the Women's 85 00:05:08,485 --> 00:05:10,375 World Cup by 1995. 86 00:05:10,375 --> 00:05:12,385 Jane: And the Men's World Cup and the Women's World Cup are 87 00:05:12,385 --> 00:05:14,005 not played at the same time. 88 00:05:14,050 --> 00:05:16,720 Meg Linehan: Correct. So we're in a Men's World Cup right now 89 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,960 in the summer of 2026. The next Women's World Cup is going to be 90 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,430 in Brazil in 2027 but the US is planning on hosting the Women's 91 00:05:24,430 --> 00:05:30,040 World Cup in 2031 along with Mexico, Jamaica, and Costa Rica. 92 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,680 Jane: Oh, so not quite the same setup as right now, where we 93 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:35,680 have Mexico, Canada, and the United States hosting the 94 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,370 current World Cup, 95 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:38,965 Meg Linehan: And that's because Canada actually already hosted 96 00:05:38,965 --> 00:05:40,345 the Women's World Cup in 2015. 97 00:05:41,155 --> 00:05:44,785 Jane: Cool, and right now, when we think about the World Cup, 98 00:05:44,785 --> 00:05:50,005 can you describe just how big and all-encompassing it is? This 99 00:05:50,005 --> 00:05:51,685 is a really huge deal across the world. 100 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:54,631 Meg Linehan: Right. And this is actually the first time that the 101 00:05:54,689 --> 00:05:58,103 World Cup has been at 48 teams, so it's gotten even bigger, 102 00:05:58,161 --> 00:06:01,691 right? So that first World Cup in 1930, only 13 teams, before 103 00:06:01,749 --> 00:06:05,280 this, it used to be, you know, 32 but 24 you know, they build 104 00:06:05,337 --> 00:06:08,636 it out, now we're at 48 teams, so it's, you know, 16 host 105 00:06:08,694 --> 00:06:12,398 cities, it's 1000s and 1000s of people, and these stadiums, too, 106 00:06:12,456 --> 00:06:15,812 are giant, so you think about all of the National Football 107 00:06:15,870 --> 00:06:19,342 League stadiums that they're using, I mean, 80,000 people at 108 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:22,988 a game, right? So it's just, it is one of the biggest sporting 109 00:06:23,046 --> 00:06:27,040 events in the world. It's right up there with the Olympics, for sure. 110 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,240 Jane: And I don't know if those of you who are listening are 111 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:34,200 watching the World Cup, but it's not just like get the stadiums 112 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:38,040 ready in terms of painting the lines so that it's for soccer 113 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,590 and getting people in the stadiums and getting the teams 114 00:06:40,590 --> 00:06:46,260 ready. There are even people who have been working for years on 115 00:06:46,260 --> 00:06:49,920 the grass to make sure the grass is perfect and that it seems the 116 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,345 same in every stadium. It's a huge endeavor that again, if you 117 00:06:54,345 --> 00:06:56,385 think you want to go into professional sports, there are a 118 00:06:56,385 --> 00:06:59,085 lot of different ways, you could even be a grass scientist and be 119 00:06:59,085 --> 00:07:00,795 involved in professional soccer. 120 00:07:00,795 --> 00:07:03,195 Meg Linehan: There's all of these positions that I think 121 00:07:03,195 --> 00:07:07,905 people don't really understand the impact the very game itself. 122 00:07:07,905 --> 00:07:10,545 It's not just writers up in the press box or camera people on 123 00:07:10,545 --> 00:07:15,240 the sidelines, it is, you know, medical staff, it's the people 124 00:07:15,240 --> 00:07:18,660 who grow the grass, it's all of these things for sure. 125 00:07:18,660 --> 00:07:24,930 Orla: My name's Orla, and I'm five years old, and I live in 126 00:07:24,930 --> 00:07:33,090 England, York. And my question is, How's the World Cup trophy 127 00:07:33,090 --> 00:07:33,870 made? 128 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:35,910 Meg Linehan: So, there's actually only one World Cup 129 00:07:35,910 --> 00:07:40,710 trophy. They don't make a trophy every winner of the World Cup, 130 00:07:40,710 --> 00:07:43,200 there's one. It lives in Switzerland, in between the 131 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:48,090 tournaments. It was actually sculpted by an Italian in the 132 00:07:48,090 --> 00:07:52,530 1970s. It is pure gold. It's worth over $700,000 and the real 133 00:07:52,530 --> 00:07:56,235 fun trivia about the World Cup trophy is there used to be one 134 00:07:56,235 --> 00:08:01,065 before, for the 1930s until like 1970s. It looked totally 135 00:08:01,065 --> 00:08:05,265 different. It was stolen in Brazil in the 1980s. It's never 136 00:08:05,265 --> 00:08:11,205 been found, so it's that's like one of the big soccer mysteries 137 00:08:11,205 --> 00:08:13,845 of the modern age. 138 00:08:13,845 --> 00:08:16,185 Jane: That's wild. And is there a different trophy for the 139 00:08:16,185 --> 00:08:18,285 Women's World Cup and the Men's World Cup? 140 00:08:18,330 --> 00:08:20,550 Meg Linehan: There are two different trophies. So, but 141 00:08:20,550 --> 00:08:24,210 again, FIFA, who is the organizing body behind both 142 00:08:24,210 --> 00:08:27,630 World Cups, keeps these trophies, so like they will take 143 00:08:27,630 --> 00:08:30,390 them every once in a while out on tour, but if you're a player, 144 00:08:30,390 --> 00:08:34,080 the only time you really ever get to hold it is when you're 145 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,780 winning it at that tournament. It's a very, you know, you think 146 00:08:36,780 --> 00:08:41,295 about the Stanley Cup, right, where the hockley players get a 147 00:08:41,295 --> 00:08:44,115 day with the trophy, and they'll put their baby in it, or they'll 148 00:08:44,115 --> 00:08:47,415 put cereal in it. That's not happening with World Cup 149 00:08:47,415 --> 00:08:48,405 trophies. Let me tell you. 150 00:08:49,005 --> 00:08:51,375 Jane: That's kind of sad. I would imagine if I was maybe the 151 00:08:51,375 --> 00:08:53,895 team captain, that I could keep it in my room and look at it 152 00:08:53,895 --> 00:08:56,415 when I woke up for a few days, and then pass it on to somebody 153 00:08:56,415 --> 00:08:57,555 else. But not so much. 154 00:08:57,790 --> 00:08:58,330 Meg Linehan: Not so much. 155 00:08:58,750 --> 00:09:01,200 Jane: Let's talk a little bit about the sport of soccer, and 156 00:09:01,260 --> 00:09:04,290 some questions we've gotten, and one of the ones that we've 157 00:09:04,350 --> 00:09:07,740 gotten again and again and again in the 10 plus years we've been 158 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:12,930 making this show is why is this sport called soccer in the 159 00:09:13,050 --> 00:09:16,560 United States and Canada, and sometimes in other places, and 160 00:09:16,620 --> 00:09:18,810 it's called football everywhere else. 161 00:09:19,180 --> 00:09:22,300 MacKenzie: My name is Mackenzie, I'm 10 years old, and I live in 162 00:09:22,750 --> 00:09:26,620 Massachusetts. And my question is, why is soccer called 163 00:09:26,620 --> 00:09:28,300 football in other countries? 164 00:09:28,300 --> 00:09:32,800 Ronin: Hi, my name is Ronin. I live in Massachusetts. I'm five 165 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:40,420 years old. Why do in America people call soccer soccer, and 166 00:09:40,420 --> 00:09:43,210 in other countries they call it football. 167 00:09:43,450 --> 00:09:46,855 Lucy: My name is Lucy. I'm seven years old. I live in Los 168 00:09:46,855 --> 00:09:50,635 Angeles, California. And my question is, why do we call 169 00:09:50,635 --> 00:09:54,385 soccer not football? Because we play it with our feet. 170 00:09:54,385 --> 00:09:58,225 Meg Linehan: Okay, so soccer is actually a British term, and I 171 00:09:58,225 --> 00:10:01,555 don't know if the Brits love to admit this. The thing is, it's 172 00:10:01,555 --> 00:10:04,255 their word, and part of it stems from the fact that there were 173 00:10:04,255 --> 00:10:06,880 actually two games that were happening in England at the 174 00:10:06,880 --> 00:10:10,540 start of soccer, and it was rugby football, and soccer was 175 00:10:10,540 --> 00:10:14,260 distinguished as association football. So, we don't actually 176 00:10:14,260 --> 00:10:17,080 know how soccer formed as a word. We know it was some kids 177 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:22,840 in Oxford in the 1800s who took maybe the "soc" part out of 178 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,570 association, even though it doesn't sound like that, and 179 00:10:25,570 --> 00:10:28,000 turned it into soccer, because... 180 00:10:28,000 --> 00:10:30,775 Jane: And Oxford is a famous British university. 181 00:10:31,220 --> 00:10:34,070 Meg Linehan: Yes, so because they also called rugby sometimes 182 00:10:34,250 --> 00:10:38,090 rugger, right? So it was this sort of affectation of a word, 183 00:10:38,150 --> 00:10:40,690 and so that you had rugger and soccer to distinguish the two 184 00:10:40,810 --> 00:10:43,570 things, but what happened was this was a word that came over. 185 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,660 I mean, soccer's always been popular in the United States in 186 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,870 some form since the 1900s even before, because we had a whole 187 00:10:49,900 --> 00:10:53,530 bunch of immigrants coming in who had played it, and so soccer 188 00:10:53,710 --> 00:10:57,880 became the dominant word here, and then all of a sudden in the 189 00:10:57,970 --> 00:11:00,750 modern era the Brits decided they didn't like it anymore, 190 00:11:02,450 --> 00:11:04,820 Jane: Right. So we can blame the Brits for the word soccer, but 191 00:11:04,820 --> 00:11:08,930 now the Brits want to call it football, which is fine, and the 192 00:11:08,930 --> 00:11:11,780 rest of the world has, by and large, adopted football, which 193 00:11:11,780 --> 00:11:14,390 is kind of an easier word to translate into different 194 00:11:14,390 --> 00:11:15,590 languages as well. 195 00:11:15,590 --> 00:11:16,820 Meg Linehan: Totally. 196 00:11:16,820 --> 00:11:19,730 Jane: But then there is a game in the United States that we do 197 00:11:19,730 --> 00:11:23,510 call football; other parts of the world would call it American 198 00:11:23,510 --> 00:11:27,185 football. Francis in Fuquay-Varina , North Carolina, 199 00:11:27,185 --> 00:11:30,905 wonders why we might call something like that football if 200 00:11:30,905 --> 00:11:33,695 most of the time the players aren't kicking the ball at all. 201 00:11:33,695 --> 00:11:37,415 Why not call it something more accurate, like handball, Francis 202 00:11:37,415 --> 00:11:41,795 wonders. By the way, handball is already the name of another 203 00:11:41,795 --> 00:11:45,095 sport, but here's how Meg suggests we think about it. 204 00:11:45,220 --> 00:11:47,530 Meg Linehan: Don't think about necessarily playing it with your 205 00:11:47,710 --> 00:11:50,740 feet, but it was actually to distinguish between something 206 00:11:50,800 --> 00:11:55,990 like polo, which is played on horses, versus rugby or soccer, 207 00:11:56,140 --> 00:11:59,350 which is played on foot, standing up on the ground, so 208 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,820 it's played on foot rather than with your feet, so football 209 00:12:03,060 --> 00:12:05,610 technically you play standing up on the ground, that's all there 210 00:12:05,610 --> 00:12:06,270 is to it. 211 00:12:06,270 --> 00:12:10,530 Peyton: Well, my name is Peyton. I'm seven years old, and I live 212 00:12:10,530 --> 00:12:13,950 in Minnesota. Who invented soccer? 213 00:12:13,950 --> 00:12:18,210 Michael: I'm Michael from Brooklyn, New York. I'm six and 214 00:12:18,210 --> 00:12:23,970 a half. My question is, how did soccer get created? 215 00:12:23,970 --> 00:12:26,310 Meg Linehan: Humans have been kicking a ball, basically, as 216 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:29,820 long as we have had feet, and some sort of ball. I think in 217 00:12:29,865 --> 00:12:32,775 China, really early days, they would fill something with 218 00:12:32,775 --> 00:12:36,615 feathers and kick that around, so there's always been some form 219 00:12:36,615 --> 00:12:42,705 of foot, ball, goal, right? It was not ever formalized as a 220 00:12:42,705 --> 00:12:48,495 sport until the 1860s, 1870s in England, where again there was 221 00:12:48,495 --> 00:12:52,515 this split between rugby football and association 222 00:12:52,515 --> 00:12:56,460 football. So that's really where modern soccer, as we know it, 223 00:12:56,460 --> 00:12:59,070 comes from, and that's also where rules like, hey, you can't 224 00:12:59,070 --> 00:13:02,100 use your hands comes in because rugby football, obviously 225 00:13:02,100 --> 00:13:04,590 they're using their hands all the time, but this was to 226 00:13:04,590 --> 00:13:09,780 distinguish these two sports as two distinct branches of the 227 00:13:09,780 --> 00:13:11,490 same origin. 228 00:13:11,550 --> 00:13:14,610 Jane: Well, speaking of using your hands, it's not entirely 229 00:13:14,700 --> 00:13:17,580 true that you can't use your hands in soccer. There's one 230 00:13:17,670 --> 00:13:21,030 position on the field of play that can use their hands. You 231 00:13:21,090 --> 00:13:23,510 can also, any player can use their hands to throw in the ball 232 00:13:23,510 --> 00:13:26,540 when it's been out of bounds, but a goalie can use their 233 00:13:26,630 --> 00:13:26,990 hands. 234 00:13:27,260 --> 00:13:32,000 Elliot: My name is Elliot. I'm five years old, and I'm from 235 00:13:33,260 --> 00:13:36,620 Flagstaff. And why do goalies only use hands while you're 236 00:13:36,740 --> 00:13:37,310 playing soccer? 237 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:40,000 Jane: Why are goalies the only people who are allowed to use 238 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,720 their hands? 239 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:44,200 Meg Linehan: That's actually been in the rules since 1870 By 240 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:47,860 1871 they had really firmed that up. But goalkeepers get to use 241 00:13:47,860 --> 00:13:50,740 their hands, basically, honestly, to keep things kind of 242 00:13:50,740 --> 00:13:55,000 even, right? Soccer has never been known as a high scoring 243 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:58,120 sport, but if you didn't have goalkeepers, we would probably 244 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,795 be seeing score lines more like what we think about American 245 00:14:01,795 --> 00:14:06,325 football, right, of 21 to 17, or whatever it is. So, goalkeepers, 246 00:14:06,325 --> 00:14:08,575 because they're able to use their hands and catch the ball 247 00:14:08,575 --> 00:14:12,475 out of the air, whatever it is, it helps keep the score a little 248 00:14:12,475 --> 00:14:16,435 more even, and especially you think about penalty kick, right, 249 00:14:16,435 --> 00:14:20,575 like the highest thing that's an attempt to make it where it's 250 00:14:20,575 --> 00:14:22,405 not a guaranteed thing, you know. 251 00:14:22,405 --> 00:14:25,060 Jane: A penalty kick is given when there's been a foul against 252 00:14:25,060 --> 00:14:29,530 the team trying to score inside the penalty area, and one player 253 00:14:29,530 --> 00:14:32,380 gets to take a shot at scoring with nobody but the opposing 254 00:14:32,380 --> 00:14:36,400 team's goalkeeper defending the goal. Another time you might see 255 00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:39,310 penalty kicks is if the two teams are tied at the very end 256 00:14:39,310 --> 00:14:43,240 of the match, and then they have overtime and they're still tied. 257 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,465 Sometimes the game will end in a penalty shootout to determine 258 00:14:46,465 --> 00:14:47,395 the winning team. 259 00:14:47,690 --> 00:14:50,510 Meg Linehan: So it is very interesting, because also the 260 00:14:50,510 --> 00:14:52,850 rules have changed for goalkeepers a lot since that 261 00:14:52,850 --> 00:14:55,910 1870 decision of you can't use your hands. The only one that 262 00:14:55,910 --> 00:14:58,640 can is a goalkeeper. It used to be like you could only touch it 263 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:02,270 for two seconds at a time and now, as of 2025 the rule is 264 00:15:02,270 --> 00:15:05,540 goalkeepers can handle the ball for up to eight seconds, but you 265 00:15:05,540 --> 00:15:08,210 can, you can get penalized if you're holding onto the ball for 266 00:15:08,210 --> 00:15:08,720 longer than that. 267 00:15:08,720 --> 00:15:09,920 Jane: Have you ever seen that happen? 268 00:15:09,920 --> 00:15:12,485 Meg Linehan: Oh, yes, and that's been that, that can cause drama 269 00:15:12,485 --> 00:15:15,425 in a games, you'll get, you know, supporters of one team 270 00:15:15,605 --> 00:15:20,675 chanting 1, 2, 3, trying to force the goalkeeper to play 271 00:15:20,675 --> 00:15:23,555 faster, so it's a fun, it's a fun subplot, sometimes. 272 00:15:24,260 --> 00:15:27,740 Jane: you and I are actually sitting at a soccer or football 273 00:15:28,010 --> 00:15:30,740 stadium, and we're right now watching some goalkeepers 274 00:15:30,890 --> 00:15:33,650 practice. Can you describe a little bit what we're seeing and 275 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,930 where we are? Because this is pretty fun to be able to do an 276 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:37,850 interview while we're watching soccer. 277 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,480 Meg Linehan: Totally, so we're at a Vermont Green training here 278 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,020 in Burlington, and the goalkeepers are basically trying 279 00:15:45,020 --> 00:15:49,760 to stop shots from within the box, so like maybe 10 yards away 280 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:53,090 from goal, and then also someone is booting the ball in, like 281 00:15:53,090 --> 00:15:56,240 it's a cross, and someone might be heading it, so it's really 282 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:00,260 just to be able to figure out how to stop shots from up close 283 00:16:00,260 --> 00:16:03,215 and then from really far away, because I mean we've seen it in 284 00:16:03,215 --> 00:16:05,585 the women's game, there's a really famous goal for the US 285 00:16:05,585 --> 00:16:09,485 Women's National Team scored by Carly Lloyd in a World Cup final 286 00:16:09,485 --> 00:16:13,895 from almost at midfield, just sending it so high over the 287 00:16:13,895 --> 00:16:18,185 goalkeeper, it's one of the best World Cup goals ever scored. 288 00:16:18,185 --> 00:16:20,915 Jane: One of thequestions I think that sometimes kids, 289 00:16:20,915 --> 00:16:24,005 especially as they get started playing, is why is the goal so 290 00:16:24,050 --> 00:16:27,560 big? It's too big for one goalkeeper to be able to cover, 291 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,230 and sometimes the ball can go just a little bit over your 292 00:16:30,230 --> 00:16:33,590 hands, you're even too short for the goal, and you gotta dive. 293 00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:35,090 It's such a big goal. 294 00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:37,790 Meg Linehan: Yeah, I actually played goalkeeper as a kid a 295 00:16:37,790 --> 00:16:41,330 lot, and I am not a tall human being, so I would frequently 296 00:16:41,330 --> 00:16:44,630 have the ball go in over my head, I think, especially as you 297 00:16:44,630 --> 00:16:47,720 get older and you get taller, it's a little bit better, but 298 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:51,530 that's part of the joy of the game, is can you, can you put 299 00:16:51,530 --> 00:16:54,860 the ball in a spot on the goal where the goalkeeper just 300 00:16:54,860 --> 00:16:59,240 physically cannot reach, right? That is one of the ultimate 301 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,675 signs of pure talent in this game, if it's called either 302 00:17:02,675 --> 00:17:05,765 upper 90 or top bins, when you can put it right in the corner 303 00:17:05,765 --> 00:17:10,295 of the goal, so no matter how high or how low they dive, they 304 00:17:10,295 --> 00:17:11,255 won't be able to get there. 305 00:17:12,180 --> 00:17:15,060 Jane: One of the most important, if not the most important piece 306 00:17:15,120 --> 00:17:17,640 of equipment in a soccer game is the ball. 307 00:17:17,840 --> 00:17:21,500 Oliver: Hi, my name is Oliver, I'm from Canberra, in Australia, 308 00:17:21,980 --> 00:17:24,350 but how do soccer balls get made? 309 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:25,880 Jane: How is a soccer ball made? 310 00:17:26,570 --> 00:17:28,640 Meg Linehan: Yeah, obviously this process has changed a lot 311 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,970 since, you know, the 1870s when this game was really being 312 00:17:32,060 --> 00:17:35,120 invented. But basically, you can think of it like a balloon, 313 00:17:35,210 --> 00:17:38,330 there's a bag inside that's filled with air, and then they 314 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,230 surround that with essentially like some thread to keep it in 315 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:44,320 place, they put some padding in, and then there are these panels 316 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:46,720 that go around the edge of the ball, and those can be stitched 317 00:17:46,750 --> 00:17:49,660 together, or now you can use heat to basically seal them 318 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:52,450 together. But the World Cup ball, for instance, for the men 319 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:55,450 is really interesting, because when you look at any soccer 320 00:17:55,540 --> 00:17:58,450 ball, probably at school, or where you know your youth team, 321 00:17:58,810 --> 00:18:01,800 there's all of these panels on it. The World Cup ball only has 322 00:18:01,980 --> 00:18:05,460 four panels, and they've done that to try to reduce the number 323 00:18:05,550 --> 00:18:08,280 of seams, so it will hit your foot differently, and it will 324 00:18:09,090 --> 00:18:11,880 fly through the air more accurately. So they're trying to 325 00:18:11,970 --> 00:18:17,190 make it the best possible ball. It also has a sensor inside that 326 00:18:17,250 --> 00:18:20,070 can record every time it's touched, its position on the 327 00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:23,780 field, how fast it's spinning, even, and they get all of that 328 00:18:23,930 --> 00:18:27,650 data in real time, so we, we know everything. It's so, it's 329 00:18:27,710 --> 00:18:30,080 so wild to me, as someone who grew up watching this game, and 330 00:18:30,110 --> 00:18:33,020 you just be like, oh, now we have all of this information. 331 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:33,920 It's, it's so cool. 332 00:18:34,450 --> 00:18:37,750 Libby: My name is Libby. I live in St. Albans, Vermont. I'm six 333 00:18:37,750 --> 00:18:41,080 years old, and my question is, Why are soccer balls black and 334 00:18:41,080 --> 00:18:41,650 white? 335 00:18:41,570 --> 00:18:45,080 Jane: Soccer balls aren't actually always black and white. 336 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,960 The ball used in this year's World Cup, for example, is 337 00:18:47,960 --> 00:18:52,280 pretty colorful, with white and red and green and blue patterns. 338 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:55,880 But it's true that when I think of a classic soccer ball, I 339 00:18:55,880 --> 00:18:59,480 picture a black and white one, and this actually goes back to a 340 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:03,740 time before most people had access to color television. 341 00:19:03,740 --> 00:19:07,415 Soccer balls used to be just kind of all white, but at the 342 00:19:07,415 --> 00:19:12,065 1970 Mexico World Cup, the black and white ball was introduced, 343 00:19:12,065 --> 00:19:15,215 and the contrast between the black pentagons and the white 344 00:19:15,215 --> 00:19:19,235 hexagons made it easy for fans watching the games back home on 345 00:19:19,235 --> 00:19:22,505 black and white TV to follow that little ball around on 346 00:19:22,505 --> 00:19:27,005 screen. After the break, we ask Meg to teach us the basic rules 347 00:19:27,005 --> 00:19:31,340 of soccer. What positions are there? What's an offside call 348 00:19:31,340 --> 00:19:34,700 mean? Stay with us. 349 00:19:34,700 --> 00:19:37,280 This is But Why. I'm Jane Lindholm, and today we're 350 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:40,040 talking with soccer reporter Meg Linehan, and listening to the 351 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,190 sounds of the women's squad for the Vermont Green FC as they 352 00:19:43,190 --> 00:19:47,720 practice. We're talking today all about soccer, and many of 353 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:50,945 you who are listening know all the rules already, but a lot of 354 00:19:50,945 --> 00:19:55,565 us don't. So, let's make sure we all know the basics. A soccer 355 00:19:55,565 --> 00:19:59,435 match consists of two 45 minute halves with a break in the 356 00:19:59,435 --> 00:20:02,525 middle. And the point of the game is to score more goals than 357 00:20:02,525 --> 00:20:05,015 the other team by the time the final whistle blows. 358 00:20:05,015 --> 00:20:08,465 Meg Linehan: So at, you know, the normal adult level, there 359 00:20:08,465 --> 00:20:11,345 are 11 players on the field, you've got your goalkeeper, and 360 00:20:11,345 --> 00:20:15,110 then what's fun, too, is any coach can actually decide how 361 00:20:15,110 --> 00:20:19,460 the 10 field players line up, so you might have four defenders, 362 00:20:19,460 --> 00:20:22,670 four midfielders, two forwards whose primary purpose is to 363 00:20:22,670 --> 00:20:24,980 score, or you could have, you know, there are all these 364 00:20:24,980 --> 00:20:27,890 different formations, that are called. Generally, the whole 365 00:20:27,890 --> 00:20:31,700 point is to score a goal, but you have a whole opposing team 366 00:20:31,700 --> 00:20:34,610 of 11 players who are trying to stop you from doing that. You 367 00:20:34,610 --> 00:20:38,645 can pass the ball, you can shoot the ball, you can dribble the 368 00:20:38,645 --> 00:20:41,465 ball, all of these sorts of things, try to advance the ball 369 00:20:41,465 --> 00:20:42,155 forward. 370 00:20:42,155 --> 00:20:45,545 Jane: But there's one rule that confuses even some experienced 371 00:20:45,545 --> 00:20:50,375 soccer fans, and it's called the offside rule. At its most basic, 372 00:20:50,375 --> 00:20:53,855 the offside rule is about what happens when one team is trying 373 00:20:53,855 --> 00:20:57,845 to score, so the team on offense is advancing towards the other 374 00:20:57,845 --> 00:21:01,550 team's goal. Now, you can't have someone on your team, if you're 375 00:21:01,550 --> 00:21:05,060 on offense, hanging out near the goal without the ball, just 376 00:21:05,060 --> 00:21:08,750 waiting for someone to pass the ball to them with no defenders 377 00:21:08,750 --> 00:21:12,410 other than the goalie there to play defense. So, the team on 378 00:21:12,410 --> 00:21:15,680 offense can't have anyone get the ball if they're ahead of all 379 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:19,010 the defenders. Again, the goalie is usually still in the goal, so 380 00:21:19,010 --> 00:21:22,385 technically you need two defenders, a regular player and 381 00:21:22,385 --> 00:21:25,775 a goalie, ahead of you before you can play the ball and try to 382 00:21:25,775 --> 00:21:28,745 score. Does that make sense? 383 00:21:28,745 --> 00:21:31,865 Meg Linehan: The general premise is they don't love it when 384 00:21:31,865 --> 00:21:34,955 you're trying to score a goal and you're, you have this unfair 385 00:21:34,955 --> 00:21:38,735 advantage by being behind the final defender and in front of 386 00:21:38,735 --> 00:21:41,495 the goalkeeper, and suddenly magically you get the ball, and 387 00:21:41,495 --> 00:21:43,055 there's no one there to stop you. 388 00:21:43,055 --> 00:21:47,240 Jane: But if you have the ball and you're in soccer or 389 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,250 football, you call it dribbling, but it's not like basketball 390 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:50,930 dribbling, you're doing it with your feet, and if you're 391 00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:54,740 dribbling all the way up the field, can you have a break away 392 00:21:54,740 --> 00:21:58,340 and score on your own as long as you're in control of the ball? 393 00:21:58,300 --> 00:22:00,220 Meg Linehan: Definitely, and that's one of the best kinds of 394 00:22:00,220 --> 00:22:03,040 goals, there is, is when you get to run the whole field, you've 395 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,130 got people trailing after you, screaming, and it's you and the 396 00:22:06,130 --> 00:22:08,350 goalkeeper, and you're able to put it in that, you know, low 397 00:22:08,350 --> 00:22:11,200 right corner, that's come on, that's fun. 398 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,630 Jane: But you can't kind of be sneaky and have everybody else 399 00:22:13,630 --> 00:22:17,320 on the other side of the field or the pitch, and you're hanging 400 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,870 back, and you're like, yeah, just throw the ball to me, and 401 00:22:19,870 --> 00:22:23,125 then you score with nobody there to try to defend, that's kind of 402 00:22:23,125 --> 00:22:26,605 the idea of preventing people from basically kind of hanging 403 00:22:26,605 --> 00:22:28,765 back and being sneaky a little bit? 404 00:22:28,765 --> 00:22:30,835 Meg Linehan: Yeah, we call them poachers, right? You know, 405 00:22:30,835 --> 00:22:33,055 that's like you're poaching a goal because you're not actually 406 00:22:33,055 --> 00:22:36,235 doing a lot of the work that you actually need to do to score a 407 00:22:36,235 --> 00:22:39,445 goal, but it's tough too, right? It used to just be you could try 408 00:22:39,445 --> 00:22:44,245 to explain the offside rule of advancing player who wants to 409 00:22:44,245 --> 00:22:47,530 score a goal has gotten past the final defender of the other 410 00:22:47,530 --> 00:22:51,070 team, and they can't score because of that, right? It's an 411 00:22:51,070 --> 00:22:54,250 unfair advantage, but now if you actually go and read that 412 00:22:54,250 --> 00:22:57,640 offside rule in the laws of the game, it's like two pages long. 413 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,180 There's a lot of very nuanced parts of it, because you could 414 00:23:01,180 --> 00:23:03,790 maybe now be standing between the last defender and the 415 00:23:03,790 --> 00:23:06,760 goalkeeper, but if you're not involved in the goal scoring 416 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:09,325 play, it actually doesn't matter. So, it's gotten a lot 417 00:23:09,325 --> 00:23:12,685 more complicated. So, if you're watching the World Cup at home, 418 00:23:12,685 --> 00:23:15,415 you might be a little bit confused about why something is 419 00:23:15,415 --> 00:23:18,865 offside or why it isn't. There's there's a lot of rules in this 420 00:23:18,865 --> 00:23:22,045 game for what you think would be a very simple game of ball, 421 00:23:22,045 --> 00:23:24,085 foot, goal! 422 00:23:24,085 --> 00:23:28,375 Jane: Alright. So, for kids who are already die-hard fans of the 423 00:23:28,375 --> 00:23:32,170 Men's World Cup, what are you most excited about? What should 424 00:23:32,170 --> 00:23:34,870 we all be looking for in these games? 425 00:23:34,870 --> 00:23:37,360 Meg Linehan: Yeah, I just think it's exciting to see the world's 426 00:23:37,360 --> 00:23:40,180 best here, but I also just think, you know, what we've seen 427 00:23:40,180 --> 00:23:43,270 in the tournament, so far, the games have been so fun and so 428 00:23:43,270 --> 00:23:46,870 unexpected, right? And I think that's part of the joy of the 429 00:23:46,870 --> 00:23:51,250 tournament is that for as much as people try to predict things, 430 00:23:51,250 --> 00:23:56,575 this game really does resist trying to know what's going to 431 00:23:56,575 --> 00:24:01,645 happen, right. Anyone can win, for the most part on any day, 432 00:24:01,645 --> 00:24:04,255 and so especially as you get deeper into the tournament, and 433 00:24:04,255 --> 00:24:09,145 you get to the best teams in the world, it's really, think back 434 00:24:09,145 --> 00:24:12,175 to the 2022 World Cup, that final between Argentina and 435 00:24:12,175 --> 00:24:15,985 France, you had no idea who was going to win that until the very 436 00:24:15,985 --> 00:24:19,330 final moment of the match when it went to penalty kick, so it's 437 00:24:19,330 --> 00:24:22,120 just it's a fun, it's a fun sport to watch, especially in a 438 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:24,160 tournament setting, when everything is on the line. 439 00:24:24,619 --> 00:24:26,869 Jane: If you really don't know the sport at all, or you're just 440 00:24:26,929 --> 00:24:29,689 getting started learning, would you say the same thing, or are 441 00:24:29,809 --> 00:24:32,089 there other things that we could be looking for that would make 442 00:24:32,449 --> 00:24:34,549 the game exciting and cool as we're learning? 443 00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:36,790 Meg Linehan: I also just think, you know, there's a lot of fun. 444 00:24:36,790 --> 00:24:39,250 If you haven't been to a soccer game in person, you might not 445 00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:42,700 understand the culture in the stands, right, for the people 446 00:24:42,700 --> 00:24:44,920 who are watching the game. I mean, Scotland has gotten so 447 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,490 much attention for being one of the best groups of fans. They 448 00:24:48,490 --> 00:24:51,460 sing through the whole game, there are flags, you know, 449 00:24:51,460 --> 00:24:55,150 there's all of these things that the fans try to do to help their 450 00:24:55,150 --> 00:24:58,885 team win. So, even if you might not understand what's happening 451 00:24:58,885 --> 00:25:01,945 on the field, I think you can look to the fans who are 452 00:25:01,945 --> 00:25:05,335 watching this game for the energy, for inspiration, for, 453 00:25:05,515 --> 00:25:09,175 oh, they seem to be having a really fun time. How do I have 454 00:25:09,175 --> 00:25:10,705 that fun time at a soccer game? 455 00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:13,920 Jane: And you don't have to be at a big World Cup game to 456 00:25:13,980 --> 00:25:17,760 experience that fun energy and fan spirit. Maybe there's a 457 00:25:17,850 --> 00:25:19,260 local team near where you live. 458 00:25:19,619 --> 00:25:22,759 Meg Linehan: I think Vermont Green really shows that some of 459 00:25:22,819 --> 00:25:25,609 that energy, it's really easy to have it at home too. 460 00:25:26,270 --> 00:25:27,710 Jane: Yeah, because you're a big fan of this team. 461 00:25:28,010 --> 00:25:31,130 Meg Linehan: I am a big fan of this team. I will wave a flag 462 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:32,990 for Vermont Green at any game I go to. 463 00:25:34,300 --> 00:25:36,820 Jane: What are some of your favorite chants or cheers that 464 00:25:36,820 --> 00:25:40,840 the real die-hard fans are chanting that you can actually 465 00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,820 say to a kid audience? 466 00:25:42,319 --> 00:25:44,498 Meg Linehan: Yeah, I will say there is some chants that you 467 00:25:44,546 --> 00:25:47,436 know, I think you got to get some parent, parental permission 468 00:25:47,484 --> 00:25:50,042 sometimes to come into a supporters group at any game. 469 00:25:50,090 --> 00:25:53,028 But here in Vermont, we do one that's a little silly, where we 470 00:25:53,075 --> 00:25:56,060 try to get the rest of the crowd engaged, so we'll tell them to 471 00:25:56,108 --> 00:25:58,998 stand up for the boys or girls in green, then we tell them to 472 00:25:59,046 --> 00:26:01,699 take hats off, and then the final one is we tell them to 473 00:26:01,747 --> 00:26:04,684 take their shoes off and wave their shoes in the air, so shoes 474 00:26:04,732 --> 00:26:07,717 off for the boys in green, and we do that for a few minutes, so 475 00:26:06,645 --> 00:26:11,445 Jane: And do you actually take your shoes off? 476 00:26:07,764 --> 00:26:10,229 it's trying to get everybody excited about the game. 477 00:26:11,445 --> 00:26:13,485 Meg Linehan: I do take my shoes off every single time. I think 478 00:26:13,485 --> 00:26:16,125 it's unless it's raining, but even then you take your shoe 479 00:26:16,125 --> 00:26:17,745 off, you just gotta commit to the bit. 480 00:26:17,745 --> 00:26:20,415 Jane: One last thing before we go, Meg wants to remind you that 481 00:26:20,415 --> 00:26:23,625 engaging with the sport of soccer does not have to end when 482 00:26:23,625 --> 00:26:25,935 the Men's World Cup ends in July. 483 00:26:25,180 --> 00:26:27,760 Meg Linehan: You know, if you're watching this World Cup, you've 484 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:31,270 got a chance to do it again in 2027 The US women's national 485 00:26:31,270 --> 00:26:34,360 team, especially for the audience here in America, the US 486 00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:37,330 women's national team is one of the best national teams in the 487 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:39,670 world. They've won the World Cup four times. You know, there are 488 00:26:39,670 --> 00:26:42,910 all of these historical games on YouTube, so there's a lot of 489 00:26:42,910 --> 00:26:47,140 ways to interact with a sport that is beyond watching a World 490 00:26:47,140 --> 00:26:50,035 Cup, whether it's, you know, finding your local team at home, 491 00:26:50,035 --> 00:26:54,025 whether it's playing at the youth level, whether it is just 492 00:26:54,025 --> 00:26:57,115 going online and finding your favorite player, like Messi or 493 00:26:57,115 --> 00:26:59,485 someone like Trinity Rodman, there's a whole bunch of ways to 494 00:26:59,485 --> 00:27:04,225 become a fan. 495 00:27:04,225 --> 00:27:06,835 Jane: Thanks to Meg Linehan, women's sports lead at The 496 00:27:06,835 --> 00:27:09,445 Athletic, and a proud Vermont Green supporter, for helping us 497 00:27:09,445 --> 00:27:12,670 learn about soccer, just in time to enjoy the remainder of this 498 00:27:12,670 --> 00:27:16,030 World Cup season. 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