WEBVTT 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:06.360 JACK: [MUSIC] With the right set of eyes you can spot hackers on Twitter. They have a strange image 00:00:06.360 --> 00:00:11.010 in their bio, something shady or obscure, and they write in Unicode characters and comment on 00:00:11.010 --> 00:00:15.270 privacy and anonymous tweets. While looking for accounts like that for the show I stumbled upon 00:00:15.270 --> 00:00:20.490 a Twitter account that went by the name of Finn. It met all this criteria. Their pin tweet read, 00:00:20.490 --> 00:00:25.290 “I have to go quiet and if you’re wondering where I am, read this.” Then there was a link 00:00:25.290 --> 00:00:30.330 to a news article which said a high school had been hacked. The article didn’t say much more 00:00:30.330 --> 00:00:35.610 than that so I messaged Finn. No response. Days go by, weeks. I eventually forgot about him. 00:00:35.610 --> 00:00:40.320 A month later I got a reply. He said he did have a story for me so I asked if we could 00:00:40.320 --> 00:00:44.400 talk on Skype. He said he had no way to do that because he’s messaging me on Twitter through 00:00:44.400 --> 00:00:49.050 a hacked handheld video game system which was the only electronic device he had. He told me 00:00:49.050 --> 00:00:53.880 everything else was confiscated. I got the sense that he had gotten into some serious trouble. 00:00:53.880 --> 00:00:58.680 Another month went by and he messaged me again, this time asking for my number so he can call. 00:00:58.680 --> 00:01:04.650 I gave him my number and waited. Hours went by; nothing. The next day I got a message that said 00:01:04.650 --> 00:01:08.760 he’d gotten in a car accident and couldn’t call. A few more weeks went by. I got another message 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:14.490 from him saying he’d call me this Friday at 5:00 so I waited by the phone. 5:00 comes, no call. 00:01:14.490 --> 00:01:17.370 Ten minutes later I got a message on Twitter and he’s telling me 00:01:17.370 --> 00:01:20.790 he thought he could make free calls from this hotel he’s in but he can’t, 00:01:20.790 --> 00:01:26.130 so no call. I gave up at this point, thinking this call just wasn’t meant to be. In fact, 00:01:26.130 --> 00:01:30.450 Finn’s Twitter account got banned so I had no way to reach him but then he messaged me from 00:01:30.450 --> 00:01:36.030 another account saying he can call now if I’m available, so I agreed. He called me. 00:01:36.030 --> 00:01:38.670 FINN: Hello? 00:01:38.670 --> 00:01:40.901 JACK: Hello. Wow, we finally connect. 00:01:40.901 --> 00:01:40.914 FINN: I know. 00:01:40.914 --> 00:01:49.860 JACK: He gave me the gist of what he had done. I was looking for the WiFi password of my school. I 00:01:49.860 --> 00:01:58.230 came across more than I expected and was able to access the Twitter feed of the principal. 00:01:58.230 --> 00:02:03.870 JACK: The story felt wrong. It felt dirty to me. He was just so young and I felt like if I did this 00:02:03.870 --> 00:02:09.810 story I would glamorize him and his hacking. I wasn’t even that impressed with what he did. I 00:02:09.810 --> 00:02:14.800 just sat on this story and didn’t do anything with it for about six months but then I was talking to 00:02:14.800 --> 00:02:19.960 a friend about this story and tried to see what they thought. They saw it differently than me. To 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:25.450 them this wasn’t another hacker story; this was a story about a really smart kid, a different kid, 00:02:25.450 --> 00:02:30.010 the kind of smart and different that public schools fail because they aren’t prepared to 00:02:30.010 --> 00:02:35.712 deal with kids like him. So I listened to his story again and I found myself glued to it. 00:02:35.712 --> 00:02:42.220 JACK (INTRO): [INTRO MUSIC] These are stories from the dark side of 00:02:42.220 --> 00:02:51.364 the internet. I’m Jack Rhysider. This is Darknet Diaries. [INTRO MUSIC ENDS] 00:02:51.364 --> 00:03:06.760 JACK: Just a fair warning up front, 00:03:06.760 --> 00:03:10.450 this episode contains a lot of bad language. If that’s a problem for you, 00:03:10.450 --> 00:03:15.370 you might want to skip this one. At an early age Finn found computers to be really fascinating. 00:03:15.370 --> 00:03:18.430 FINN: This one day I was eleven. I was home-schooled. 00:03:18.430 --> 00:03:23.560 FINN’S MOM: My boss allowed me to monitor him at work. 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:27.700 JACK: That’s Finn’s mother and I knew if I was going to do this story I’m going to need her, too. 00:03:27.700 --> 00:03:34.450 FINN: She was able to watch my computer constantly and one day I was messing around 00:03:34.450 --> 00:03:41.650 with command prompt and I was able to get into her computer. I started, 00:03:41.650 --> 00:03:46.660 I guess you could say, a normal eleven year old being curious just started 00:03:46.660 --> 00:03:53.140 messing around. I figured out how to set up a [00:05:00] fake screen. I 00:03:53.140 --> 00:04:01.960 took a screenshot of my initial screen and I would overlay that over what I was doing. 00:04:01.960 --> 00:04:07.150 FINN’S MOM: It looked like he was learning and participating in the classwork but 00:04:07.150 --> 00:04:11.800 he was off doing whatever it is that he’s doing, somewhere else on the computer. He crashed my 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:21.640 computer. That’s kind of when we knew that he had a higher skill set that we had anticipated. 00:04:21.640 --> 00:04:30.350 FINN: I’m a huge nerd but it was derived from a multitude of films that I felt like 00:04:30.350 --> 00:04:36.230 the main character I could relate to, one of them being Tron Legacy. That was 00:04:36.230 --> 00:04:42.140 the movie that I think really kick-started me before I even know it, into computers. 00:04:42.140 --> 00:04:47.607 S FLYNN: What am I supposed to do? 00:04:47.607 --> 00:04:47.624 PROGRAM: Survive. 00:04:47.624 --> 00:04:53.870 FINN: I have a sister and two twin brothers. I have a baby brother and he’s one years old. 00:04:53.870 --> 00:05:05.930 Counting me there’s five. I’m the oldest so this all lies on me. I have Asperger’s and ADHD. I 00:05:05.930 --> 00:05:19.746 have something called visuomotor complex. It’s, I think it’s when – it makes math harder for me. 00:05:19.746 --> 00:05:25.010 FINN’S MOM: I was in denial because I’m a parent. You don’t want anything wrong with your kid. Then 00:05:25.010 --> 00:05:30.590 one day we ran out of medication and that’s when I knew we could never run out of it 00:05:30.590 --> 00:05:35.660 again. Oh my Lord, he was just everywhere. Literally he was like a ping pong ball, 00:05:35.660 --> 00:05:40.490 bouncing off the walls. It was just like he went from one thing to another. Even having 00:05:40.490 --> 00:05:46.220 a conversation with him was like, what are you talking about? But then once he has his 00:05:46.220 --> 00:05:53.060 medicine it’s more calmer, more focus, more order, and he seems to thrive on the order. 00:05:53.060 --> 00:06:01.040 FINN: I remember as a kid we used to live on the worst of the worst side of the city that we used 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:07.970 to live in. It was nothing but gang violence. You couldn’t walk down the street at night. Heck, 00:06:07.970 --> 00:06:13.280 if you walk down the street, you don’t carry anything on your pockets. Don’t wear expensive 00:06:13.280 --> 00:06:22.670 shoes. Walk barefoot if you have to. It was that sort of bad. I’d say at five years old, that was 00:06:22.670 --> 00:06:30.340 the last time we were there and we moved to the somewhat okay side of town but still not the best. 00:06:30.340 --> 00:06:35.560 FINN’S MOM: He started out of course, regular school like everybody else and then he went to 00:06:35.560 --> 00:06:41.920 being home-schooled. I had to do a lot of Khan Academy and stuff to be able to teach 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:47.110 him things. I thought, I have a college degree. I just thought it would be easy to home-school 00:06:47.110 --> 00:06:51.130 him no problem but it was quite different. It was quite a learning experience for what 00:06:51.130 --> 00:06:56.050 it is for a child that has diagnosis that he has, and what it’s like for them to learn. 00:06:56.050 --> 00:06:59.620 JACK: Finn started to realize he was good at computers, 00:06:59.620 --> 00:07:03.010 exceptionally good. Better than anyone else in his family, even. 00:07:03.010 --> 00:07:11.740 FINN: Someone needed a problem with a computer, I was pretty much the main IT. Yeah, I think 00:07:11.740 --> 00:07:18.880 that’s kind of where I got my cockiness from, is when I would help them they’d be like yeah, 00:07:18.880 --> 00:07:26.350 you did a good job, Finn. Congrats. I would have probably the biggest smile on my face as a kid. 00:07:26.350 --> 00:07:30.296 JACK: When Finn has a computer problem he thinks it through differently than others. 00:07:30.296 --> 00:07:38.110 FINN’S MOM: He sees things very differently than we do. He sees things in binary numbers, so 00:07:38.110 --> 00:07:43.630 simple things like adding and subtracting and multiplication, those things seem very easy, 00:07:43.630 --> 00:07:49.150 very simple for us but for him it seems to be more of a complicated thing. So things 00:07:49.150 --> 00:07:53.710 that are more complicated for us like quadratic equations or stuff that uses 00:07:53.710 --> 00:07:59.440 letters and numbers which we have to work at or figure out, they come very easy to him. 00:07:59.440 --> 00:08:11.380 FINN: I like to see it as a game. I make mental maps. It’s like what can I do and what will I do? 00:08:11.380 --> 00:08:16.150 JACK: Finn bounced around a few schools; public school, home-schooling, private school, 00:08:16.150 --> 00:08:19.900 but it didn’t matter where Finn would go. He had a hard time fitting in. 00:08:19.900 --> 00:08:26.710 FINN: It was always tough in school for me, or anywhere dealing with people, 00:08:26.710 --> 00:08:34.150 I guess. I was always bullied. It didn’t matter where I went. I could go to church 00:08:34.150 --> 00:08:41.900 and I would be bullied. I could go to school and I would be bullied. 00:08:41.900 --> 00:08:47.780 I guess it was because I was shy and I didn’t talk or it was just the way I 00:08:47.780 --> 00:08:55.100 was dressed or something but I do not look like [00:10:00] your stereotypical African American, 00:08:55.100 --> 00:09:04.700 I’d say. I guess that’s also what kind of led me to my love of computers. I found more friends on 00:09:04.700 --> 00:09:11.930 the internet. It’s the anonymity. You and that person don’t know what you both look like so 00:09:11.930 --> 00:09:17.300 they – it’s to me growing up, it’s like they can’t judge me if they don’t know what I look like. 00:09:17.300 --> 00:09:22.510 JACK: In ninth grade Finn moved from private school to a public school. 00:09:22.510 --> 00:09:29.300 FINN: The ninth grade, it was fucking – I felt like I was in a war zone. It’s was like 00:09:29.300 --> 00:09:34.190 if you re-introduce the main character back into society. That’s kind of what 00:09:34.190 --> 00:09:41.000 it felt like for me. It’s like well, this is odd. I went from having say, 00:09:41.000 --> 00:09:47.480 around four or five kids in my class that I would become good friends with where now 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:53.960 I have seven different classes, twenty different students, nobody that I know. 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:57.080 JACK: Just before switching schools, 00:09:57.080 --> 00:10:01.070 Finn got a new tablet and it became his primary way of going online. 00:10:01.070 --> 00:10:08.930 FINN: I only used my tablet because my family didn’t have a laptop at the time. This was a $52, 00:10:08.930 --> 00:10:18.650 62 GB tablet from Walmart. I would compare it to your average [inaudible] tablet. It 00:10:18.650 --> 00:10:27.920 had an anonymous wallpaper. The apps on it were from this app – I think Bugtroid. It was an app 00:10:27.920 --> 00:10:35.780 that had a bunch of the apps used for penetration testing. I was definitely addicted to that tablet. 00:10:35.780 --> 00:10:40.250 JACK: By now Finn has been in his new public school for four months. He’s made a few friends, 00:10:40.250 --> 00:10:42.980 mostly outcasts and those kids who sit in the back of the class, 00:10:42.980 --> 00:10:46.400 and laugh. It’s ninth grade and it’s a week before Thanksgiving, 00:10:46.400 --> 00:10:52.445 and it’s Friday. He goes to school just like any normal day but on this day everything changes. 00:10:52.445 --> 00:10:59.330 FINN: I was fourteen. I remember my day started off with me watching the show Mr. Robot. 00:10:59.330 --> 00:11:00.882 JACK: Hello, friend. 00:11:00.882 --> 00:11:07.790 FINN: I just recently started watching it. [BELL SOUNDS] My first period was my computer class. The 00:11:07.790 --> 00:11:12.530 class was boring. You were learning oh, this is the part of the computer. I’m like well, 00:11:12.530 --> 00:11:22.640 yeah, no shit, Sherlock. Everyone should pretty much know this by now. I would rather watch an 00:11:22.640 --> 00:11:32.930 ant pick up a leaf then sit in a classroom. I find some of the classes in schools are 00:11:32.930 --> 00:11:41.690 utterly useless. I was failing my Computer class, ironically. [BELL SOUNDS] My second 00:11:41.690 --> 00:11:51.680 period was Math and Lord God, did I hate that period. [BELL SOUNDS] Third period is Heath 00:11:51.680 --> 00:11:57.140 so I’m sitting in that class and we’re watching this video called Supersize Me. 00:11:57.140 --> 00:12:05.240 A guy eats McDonalds, I don’t know why anyone would want to do that, but we were watching 00:12:05.240 --> 00:12:15.860 that video and I got super bored super quick. I’m not into seeing a guy eat, that’s kind of weird. 00:12:15.860 --> 00:12:24.110 I whip out my tablet. There was another guy who was also a hacker and we both came up with the 00:12:24.110 --> 00:12:34.570 goal of finding the WiFi password. [MUSIC] There’s two WiFi networks; you have the BYOD 00:12:34.570 --> 00:12:41.980 which is the Bring Your Own Device policy and then you have the WiFi that was only for the teachers. 00:12:41.980 --> 00:12:46.270 JACK: While Supersize Me is playing, Finn and his friends started exploring 00:12:46.270 --> 00:12:50.230 the school’s network. They started looking at any shared drives and connected folders that 00:12:50.230 --> 00:12:55.360 were on the school’s network. Finn had found a specific server that seemed interesting. 00:12:55.360 --> 00:13:09.400 FINN: The server had a redirect so if you were to type in the search bar, redirect/let’s say Doe, 00:13:09.400 --> 00:13:18.160 John Doe, it would pop up a little folder of what was on his computer. You were able 00:13:18.160 --> 00:13:24.190 to see what they had downloaded, what they were holding on their computer, the certain drives, 00:13:24.190 --> 00:13:34.210 and stuff like that. I was definitely curious as to why was this particular server open. I’m like, 00:13:34.210 --> 00:13:46.030 this isn’t right. This shouldn’t be open like this. That’s when I started I guess what I 00:13:46.030 --> 00:13:54.790 like to call my Hulk mode. I went around [00:15:00] looking for any and everything. 00:13:54.790 --> 00:14:00.190 If something looked interesting I was saving it. What I would do is I would get the folder 00:14:00.190 --> 00:14:05.860 and open Google Drive on the browser and I would copy and paste the files into there, 00:14:05.860 --> 00:14:14.980 that way there was no – I guess you could say, paper trail of me actually downloading the files. 00:14:14.980 --> 00:14:19.420 JACK: Finn downloads a bunch of files from this shared folder. That shared 00:14:19.420 --> 00:14:21.700 folder happened to be the principal’s computer. 00:14:21.700 --> 00:14:27.250 FINN: I didn’t know the guy was the principal at first. I didn’t know the dude, 00:14:27.250 --> 00:14:32.350 never even seen him so I thought it was nothing interesting in this 00:14:32.350 --> 00:14:41.950 but I guess I still will take a look. I’m scrolling down about a 180 files. 00:14:41.950 --> 00:14:46.080 JACK: Finn finds a copy of the principal’s hunting license, his driver’s license, 00:14:46.080 --> 00:14:48.600 and a bunch of the student and faculty information. 00:14:48.600 --> 00:14:55.920 FINN: I’m like okay, what more is there? There has to be more than this. I’m at the bottom of the 00:14:55.920 --> 00:15:11.220 page and there’s this little Word document file titled Passwords. Immediately I face-palmed myself 00:15:11.220 --> 00:15:20.760 ‘cause I was quite ashamed that this is what it had came to; that someone was saving passwords 00:15:20.760 --> 00:15:29.580 not only in a Word document but it was unprotected and it was obviously labeled. It was so terrible. 00:15:29.580 --> 00:15:35.231 I opened the file. I see at the bottom of the text document he has a Twitter password. 00:15:35.231 --> 00:15:41.130 JACK: [BELL RINGS] It’s now lunchtime. Finn collects his stuff, heads to the lunchroom, 00:15:41.130 --> 00:15:42.540 starts looking for his friends. 00:15:42.540 --> 00:15:47.190 FINN: You’ve seen Mr. Robot. I would say it’s more like the 00:15:47.190 --> 00:15:51.083 moments where Elliot’s kind of talking to himself. 00:15:51.083 --> 00:15:53.010 JACK: Please tell me you’re seeing this, too. 00:15:53.010 --> 00:15:58.680 FINN: I’m in that phase where I’m like okay, I’ve got two options that I could do here. I 00:15:58.680 --> 00:16:11.970 could go to whoever I can even think of, report this, or I could have a little fun. I’m sitting 00:16:11.970 --> 00:16:17.640 at lunch with my buddies. I’m still thinking about this Passwords folder ‘cause at this 00:16:17.640 --> 00:16:25.140 point it’s in my brain. It’s like, come on, dude. Do something. I’m like alright, 00:16:25.140 --> 00:16:32.850 let’s just see if he really is this dumb. I go through the list of passwords. I tried the 00:16:32.850 --> 00:16:40.410 first one on his Twitter, doesn’t work. Tried the second one on Twitter, doesn’t work. I make it to, 00:16:40.410 --> 00:16:50.560 I guess the eleventh one and I’m like, if this doesn’t work then shoot, the guy’s un-hackable. So 00:16:50.560 --> 00:16:57.460 I enter it in not expecting anything to happen. I look up to my friends who are joking and I 00:16:57.460 --> 00:17:04.990 looked back down at my tablet and all I see is ‘Twitter would like to use your location. Do you 00:17:04.990 --> 00:17:15.460 want to allow this?’ All the noise around me just stopped. I’m like, oh shit. This fucking worked. 00:17:15.460 --> 00:17:28.840 What do I do? It all kind of hit me; I could go to jail for this. That’s where hell breaks loose. 00:17:28.840 --> 00:17:32.710 JACK: Finn starts posting stuff on the principal’s Twitter and 00:17:32.710 --> 00:17:35.170 then quickly deleting it after his friends see it. 00:17:35.170 --> 00:17:41.650 FINN: I would post something like ‘God bless the KKK’ or something edgy and then quickly delete it. 00:17:41.650 --> 00:17:51.610 They were just laughing. Mind you the principal is no-joke, two steps away from us sitting at 00:17:51.610 --> 00:17:59.350 a table. Everyone was like dude, you’ve got some fucking balls. My little kid self comes 00:17:59.350 --> 00:18:05.890 out again and he’s like hell, yeah. Next I’m like, what if I went to the website? I went to 00:18:05.890 --> 00:18:13.480 that school’s official main webpage. I first scanned the page using this app called Admin 00:18:13.480 --> 00:18:20.320 Panel Finder. It looks for stereotypical admin page logins. I found the one for 00:18:20.320 --> 00:18:26.320 the website. I knew the principal’s e-mail. Everyone’s e-mail is set up the same. You have 00:18:26.320 --> 00:18:36.280 lastname.firstname@school. This was pretty common sense type of knowledge so I enter in his e-mail. 00:18:36.280 --> 00:18:42.490 I realize, what if he’s using the password for his Twitter for this? At this point I’m already 00:18:42.490 --> 00:18:51.250 pretty screwed, if not. Why not? I’m more pissed at this point because I’m like, this is fucking 00:18:51.250 --> 00:18:58.780 stupid. [00:20:00] Why and how do you allow this to happen? I clicked the enter button and I look 00:18:58.780 --> 00:19:04.100 up and my friends are like dude, dude that’s fucking awesome. Then one of my friends who, 00:19:04.100 --> 00:19:12.875 I call him the Bad Luck Guy ‘cause I swear on everything that he jinxed me. He was like dude, 00:19:12.875 --> 00:19:18.860 you’re going to get in trouble, and then got up and walked away. I’m now worried, 00:19:18.860 --> 00:19:28.460 excited, scared, and pissed so I’m a fuck-ton of emotions at that point. I’m definitely like, 00:19:28.460 --> 00:19:31.940 I’m not thinking straight. If you were to ask me 1 + 1 at that point, 00:19:31.940 --> 00:19:37.896 I probably would have said 52. I looked back down at my tablet and I’m in. 00:19:37.896 --> 00:19:43.850 JACK: [MUSIC] Finn now has logged into the school’s main website as the principal. This 00:19:43.850 --> 00:19:47.570 website has things like announcements, school closures, upcoming events, 00:19:47.570 --> 00:19:52.850 and teacher bios but Finn’s access only allows him to change the principal’s bio. 00:19:52.850 --> 00:19:59.840 FINN: I’m like, now just fuck everyone, man. I wiped everything. His picture, 00:19:59.840 --> 00:20:05.960 that was deleted off this website. His biography, that was deleted. His e-mail gone, his phone 00:20:05.960 --> 00:20:13.340 number gone. [MUSIC] Anything associated with him was gone. I couldn’t upload anything more than an 00:20:13.340 --> 00:20:20.150 image so I took his name, deleted it, and I put Hacked By handle that I used to use. Then I upload 00:20:20.150 --> 00:20:27.530 this image from the game Watch Dogs and I uploaded that as the image of him pretty much flipping off 00:20:27.530 --> 00:20:37.430 the camera. After I pulled that, I start writing. I said fuck the school name, fuck the main 00:20:37.430 --> 00:20:45.170 IT guy, fuck my principal, and fuck the Board of Education. After that I clicked Post. [BELL RINGS] 00:20:45.170 --> 00:20:50.300 JACK: Lunch is over. Finn heads to his next class. 00:20:50.300 --> 00:20:58.460 FINN: I’m walking into my Literature class. I’m kind of like in this surreal state. 00:20:58.460 --> 00:21:01.760 JACK: Finn shows the school website to a friend he had in that class. 00:21:01.760 --> 00:21:07.910 FINN: He was like dude, did you do that? I’m like, yeah. He’s like dude, you need to like, 00:21:07.910 --> 00:21:14.750 don’t do anything else, man. Fucking chill. I’m like yeah, yeah, you’re right, you’re right. 00:21:14.750 --> 00:21:20.600 JACK: But then a bell rang out of nowhere. [BELL RINGS] It was just the second lunch bell but 00:21:20.600 --> 00:21:24.320 for a moment he thought it was the intercom and they were calling him up to the office. 00:21:24.320 --> 00:21:29.600 FINN: I guess you could say, I was kind of like – what set me off again. I’m like, 00:21:29.600 --> 00:21:38.060 you know what? Fuck it. I go into Twitter. I again, I go through the procedure; 00:21:38.060 --> 00:21:45.590 wipe his name, and I changed his image, put Hacked By handle that I used to use. 00:21:45.590 --> 00:21:50.254 JACK: The rest of Literature class, Finn proceeded to tweet as the principal. 00:21:50.254 --> 00:21:52.271 FINN: Guess who just got fucking hacked. That was the first post. 00:21:52.271 --> 00:22:01.490 JACK: He then posted the principal’s Social Security Number and other private info. Finn 00:22:01.490 --> 00:22:05.660 went on to post links to Pastebin where he was posting private documents. The first was… 00:22:05.660 --> 00:22:13.370 FINN: Employee data list. Their name, their birth dates, their addresses, their phone numbers, 00:22:13.370 --> 00:22:18.590 what car they drive, their license plate, where they park, it was super detailed. 00:22:18.590 --> 00:22:19.820 JACK: Then he did another post. 00:22:19.820 --> 00:22:25.400 FINN: Students parents’ name, e-mail, locations, phone number. 00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:27.305 JACK: Then another post of all student e-mails. 00:22:27.305 --> 00:22:34.250 FINN: I posted the list of everybody’s e-mail and then everybody’s password. Then I think I capped 00:22:34.250 --> 00:22:42.230 it off with like, fuck the Board of Education and fuck the main IT guy because he was not doing his 00:22:42.230 --> 00:22:51.020 job. I felt like he failed not only me but he failed my friends, my teachers, the parents, 00:22:51.020 --> 00:22:57.914 my mom. I felt like he failed everybody and that’s what, I guess, really set me off. 00:22:57.914 --> 00:23:01.900 JACK: Somehow this whole time Finn’s teacher didn’t notice he was on his tablet. 00:23:01.900 --> 00:23:08.260 FINN: No, she never noticed. ‘Cause I was in the back of the classroom, mind you. She has 00:23:08.260 --> 00:23:12.400 to pay attention to twenty other students which is – it’s another reason I hate public school. I 00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:19.610 feel like anything can go wrong. In this case it actually did. My friend, the guy I was talking to, 00:23:19.610 --> 00:23:25.090 was like dude, put the fucking tablet up. I’m like okay, okay, okay, I’m done. I put 00:23:25.090 --> 00:23:32.530 the tablet in my bag and at that point we’re pretty much near the end of Literature class. 00:23:32.530 --> 00:23:35.800 JACK: [BELL RINGS] Finn grabs his backpack and walks to the next class. 00:23:35.800 --> 00:23:44.620 FINN: I feel like I’m in – terrorist, like I’m carrying a bomb and nobody knows it but me. 00:23:44.620 --> 00:23:51.940 I felt like at any moment fucking secret service was gonna pop out of nowhere and 00:23:51.940 --> 00:23:56.901 [00:25:00] just – black bag over my head and I’m gone. I’m like fuck, fuck, fuck. 00:23:56.901 --> 00:23:56.928 JACK: Jesus, what did I do? 00:23:56.928 --> 00:24:07.240 FINN: I think I may have fucked up, I don’t know. I just tried to get my mind off of it while I was 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:14.800 walking. I’m about two steps away from the door of my history class. This kid who I know who used to 00:24:14.800 --> 00:24:22.030 be in Anonymous, he passed me. He’s like yo, dude, did you hear? Somebody hacked the principal’s 00:24:22.030 --> 00:24:31.270 Twitter. I’m like goddammit. I’m like okay, maybe it’s just him who knows. I walk in the class, 00:24:31.270 --> 00:24:37.480 everybody’s fucking talking about it. I’m like whoa, is it really this big of a deal? 00:24:37.480 --> 00:24:43.510 Holy shit, how quick does news get around? JACK: Finn tries desperately to keep his mind 00:24:43.510 --> 00:24:49.030 off the hack. He keeps his tablet on his desk but keeps it off the whole class. He stays focused on 00:24:49.030 --> 00:24:53.470 his assignment. This is the last class of the day. There’s only a few minutes left of class. 00:24:53.470 --> 00:25:02.590 FINN: Out of the blue the intercom comes on. I’m like, freaking out again. At this 00:25:02.590 --> 00:25:13.700 point I’m shaking like, obviously I’m shaking. They call Code Yellow. Code Red is an active 00:25:13.700 --> 00:25:19.220 shooting or there is a definite threat in the school. Code Yellow is where they’re like, 00:25:19.220 --> 00:25:24.890 we don’t know if it’s happening in the school or out the school. When a Code Yellow happens all 00:25:24.890 --> 00:25:31.700 doors are locked. Only the administrators are able to get in. You’re locked in, 00:25:31.700 --> 00:25:41.240 pretty much. At that point I hear the doors of the main building open and I hear a cop 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:50.690 radio. Principal’s super pissed. They’re trying to calm him down. He’s pissed, sad, 00:25:50.690 --> 00:25:56.780 confused, I could see where he was coming from. I guess you could say that I felt his emotions. 00:25:56.780 --> 00:26:02.750 [SHOUTING] They go through one of the classrooms. You don’t hear nothing; 00:26:02.750 --> 00:26:13.100 it’s dead silent for five minutes. I’m at my desk just sitting there. After those five 00:26:13.100 --> 00:26:19.340 minutes our door opens and it’s the assistant principal. He goes in, he’s like okay everyone, 00:26:19.340 --> 00:26:24.020 I need to see your phones. I need you to press the power button and let me see what 00:26:24.020 --> 00:26:29.630 you’re logged on. He goes through everyone on the right side and I’m now like, fuck, 00:26:29.630 --> 00:26:38.810 I’m in panic mode. I probably looked like a crack head ‘cause I’m visibly shaking. Fuck, fuck, fuck. 00:26:38.810 --> 00:26:41.720 I’m like oh, shit, NPC’s gonna have my account on [inaudible] he’s going to want to [inaudible]. 00:26:41.720 --> 00:26:47.210 Not even thinking twice, I slide the tablet behind the file cabinet 00:26:47.210 --> 00:26:50.300 to where I could still get it when I’m about to leave but you wouldn’t 00:26:50.300 --> 00:26:54.050 notice that it’s behind the cabinet. He goes through everyone, he’s like okay, 00:26:54.050 --> 00:27:06.380 radios in “All clear” and walks out. After that, ten minutes goes by. The intercom comes 00:27:06.380 --> 00:27:13.160 back on and the lady announces, “The Code Yellow is over. Everyone have a nice day.” 00:27:13.160 --> 00:27:18.580 JACK: Finn grabs his tablet from behind the cabinet, throws it in his backpack, 00:27:18.580 --> 00:27:20.710 and starts heading for the bus to go home. 00:27:20.710 --> 00:27:28.540 FINN: At that point, not only am I just shaking physically, I’m pretty much in tears. I’m 00:27:28.540 --> 00:27:41.680 scared at that point. I will honestly say that I definitely cried. I was like, I fucked up. There’s 00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:49.960 no way I can go back and fix this fuck-up this time. While I’m walking to the bus I was quiet. 00:27:49.960 --> 00:28:00.430 I just breathed, I guess. It was like taking your last – having your last meal before you 00:28:00.430 --> 00:28:09.460 go into jail. This is my last time probably being here. You get this moment being free. 00:28:09.460 --> 00:28:17.560 I get on the bus and everyone on the bus is talking about it, even the guy who I 00:28:17.560 --> 00:28:21.970 was working with. He was even talking about it, said whoever fucking hacked 00:28:21.970 --> 00:28:32.260 the school is a fucking idiot. At one point I was God and now I’m the fucking 00:28:32.260 --> 00:28:40.780 devil in an instant. It’s like I had power in my hand and I blinked and it was gone. 00:28:40.780 --> 00:28:50.650 I had my shitty little old tablet and I turned it back on and I plugged in my headphones and I 00:28:50.650 --> 00:29:12.940 listened to music all the way home. [00:30:00] [MUSIC] I got home and I just sat on my bed 00:29:12.940 --> 00:29:20.860 thinking. I didn’t know what to do. Every day after school I always messaged my mom ‘cause 00:29:20.860 --> 00:29:29.306 that’s my mom; I want to make sure she’s okay. I messaged her and she was like, so how was school? 00:29:29.306 --> 00:29:30.820 FINN’S MOM: I remember getting a call about the school being on lockdown. 00:29:30.820 --> 00:29:35.650 FINN: I was like yeah, someone leaked the principal’s information. I don’t 00:29:35.650 --> 00:29:40.226 know what in the hell made me tell her but I fucking did. 00:29:40.226 --> 00:29:44.770 FINN’S MOM: I asked him did you have any involvement in it? I don’t know 00:29:44.770 --> 00:29:49.510 what made me ask him that, but I did. Of course at that time he lied to me. 00:29:49.510 --> 00:29:58.556 FINN: I think that’s when she knew that yeah, he did something and he’s not telling me. 00:29:58.556 --> 00:30:02.890 FINN’S MOM: The school called me and asked me could I bring Finn’s tablet 00:30:02.890 --> 00:30:10.750 to the school? I did because Finn had told me that he had no involvement in the situation. 00:30:10.750 --> 00:30:14.830 FINN: She came into my room and she’s like hey, where is your tablet? I was 00:30:14.830 --> 00:30:19.930 like oh, it’s right here. She’s like, I need to see it for a little bit. I 00:30:19.930 --> 00:30:25.660 said okay. I thought maybe she needs to do something. I didn’t think too much of it. 00:30:25.660 --> 00:30:30.686 JACK: Mom took Finn’s tablet to the school and that’s when they told her about the hack. 00:30:30.686 --> 00:30:34.780 FINN’S MOM: I stayed at the school while they did their little investigation, 00:30:34.780 --> 00:30:39.040 trying to figure out if this was actually the tablet that I had 00:30:39.040 --> 00:30:44.080 done it. It had a code on it so I had to call Finn and ask him what was the code? 00:30:44.080 --> 00:30:52.980 FINN: She’s like hey, Finn, I’m at the schoolhouse. We need the code for your 00:30:52.980 --> 00:31:01.650 tablet. The first thing that goes through my head is fuck. Fucking kill me. If I’d known, 00:31:01.650 --> 00:31:07.470 I would have definitely wiped my tablet before giving it to her. 00:31:07.470 --> 00:31:13.020 The code that I had given her was to the tablet’s safe mode. 00:31:13.020 --> 00:31:18.240 FINN’S MOM: Finn gave us some kind of mixed-up code. I was there for three hours, 00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:24.420 probably more because they called somebody off the campus to try to get past the wall 00:31:24.420 --> 00:31:30.300 inside this tablet in order to find out if this was the exact same IP address. 00:31:30.300 --> 00:31:35.880 JACK: After three hours the school did determine the tablet was used 00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.026 in this hack because of a matching MAC address. 00:31:38.026 --> 00:31:45.690 FINN’S MOM: My kid did this? Are you sure we’re talking about the same kid? Then the other part 00:31:45.690 --> 00:31:53.430 of me was wow, he did this. I didn’t understand why he had done it ‘cause it didn’t make sense. 00:31:53.430 --> 00:31:57.750 You would have thought that maybe something would have happened that would have triggered 00:31:57.750 --> 00:32:03.030 this advance, maybe he got in trouble at school, went to the principal’s office, 00:32:03.030 --> 00:32:07.110 something of that nature but none of that had happened prior to this incident. 00:32:07.110 --> 00:32:10.326 JACK: Mom drove home and had a talk with Finn. 00:32:10.326 --> 00:32:23.240 FINN’S MOM: Yes, yes, we’re just gonna go with that, yes. We talked. 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:29.150 FINN: [MUSIC] That was the first time I think I’ve ever really seen my mom cry 00:32:29.150 --> 00:32:43.400 but we talked. I can’t even remember what we talked about. I would get hit with a 00:32:43.400 --> 00:32:51.680 nuclear bomb for my mom. I would die for her. That was the first time I felt like 00:32:51.680 --> 00:33:02.270 I had hurt her. [00:35:00] I didn’t want to ever feel that again. A few minutes 00:33:02.270 --> 00:33:10.056 go by. I’m sitting in her room, my step dad’s in there. Two cops enter the house. 00:33:10.056 --> 00:33:15.560 FINN’S MOM: Your heart drops because you know that it’s something because you just 00:33:15.560 --> 00:33:18.980 left the school and you’re wondering like dang, how’d they get them here so fast? 00:33:18.980 --> 00:33:23.780 That was number one. Then number two was like, are they going to take my child out 00:33:23.780 --> 00:33:27.080 of my house right now? Then as a parent there’s nothing I could do right now in 00:33:27.080 --> 00:33:31.730 this moment to fix it. There’s nothing I can do to protect him from this moment. 00:33:31.730 --> 00:33:38.510 FINN: I was just like shoot, this happened way too damn quick. At 00:33:38.510 --> 00:33:46.400 least let me have some time to fucking think at least. I was worried not about 00:33:46.400 --> 00:33:55.220 going to jail but how my brothers and sisters would be affected by seeing 00:33:55.220 --> 00:34:00.200 me go to jail. I was more worried about how this was affecting them and not me. 00:34:00.200 --> 00:34:05.900 FINN’S MOM: At the time I was also on the phone with my parents. Then my mom was like hey, 00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:09.680 y’all need to stop talking to them and you need to get a lawyer. At that time I had to 00:34:09.680 --> 00:34:13.820 tell them that we no longer could talk to them. Of course, they didn’t like that but 00:34:13.820 --> 00:34:17.060 they knew that they had to go because they weren’t there with any warrants of arrests. 00:34:17.060 --> 00:34:18.876 FINN: The cops leave. 00:34:18.876 --> 00:34:26.570 FINN’S MOM: Now I’m in panic mode. As a parent you never want to see your child in trouble and 00:34:26.570 --> 00:34:31.820 I knew that this was about to be bad. I didn’t realize at that time how bad it was about to get 00:34:31.820 --> 00:34:38.120 but I knew it was bad. I was frantic because this all happened leading up to a weekend, 00:34:38.120 --> 00:34:42.800 meaning that I had to try to get representation for him by Monday. 00:34:42.800 --> 00:34:48.140 JACK: By 10:00pm that night the school’s website was back to normal and the tweets 00:34:48.140 --> 00:34:52.370 were deleted but there were a lot of views to that private information that was posted 00:34:52.370 --> 00:34:59.000 so who knows how many copies were made and who had it. That weekend the family found 00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:03.350 a lawyer and the police asked the mom to bring Finn down to the station. The police took his 00:35:03.350 --> 00:35:07.310 fingerprints and a mug shot and let him go home. The school suspended him permanently 00:35:07.310 --> 00:35:11.750 and informed the family that they would be taking him to court. He now had to go 00:35:11.750 --> 00:35:15.980 to an alternative school which is a place that kids with behavior problems or have gotten in 00:35:15.980 --> 00:35:21.260 trouble can still go to for an education. But all of Finn’s old friends were afraid to talk to him. 00:35:21.260 --> 00:35:27.470 FINN: No one wanted to talk to me. I was kind of a superhero and within a period 00:35:27.470 --> 00:35:35.090 I was the super villain. Now with this new super villain persona labeled on me, 00:35:35.090 --> 00:35:39.770 nobody wanted to associate with me. It was back to square one again. 00:35:39.770 --> 00:35:44.240 JACK: What were the kids like in that alternative school? 00:35:44.240 --> 00:35:47.780 FINN: Have you ever heard of the school-to-prison pipeline? 00:35:47.780 --> 00:35:53.510 JACK: I haven’t heard of this before so I had to look it up. The school-to-prison pipeline is 00:35:53.510 --> 00:35:58.220 where kids from disadvantaged backgrounds have a higher tendency to become locked up because 00:35:58.220 --> 00:36:03.470 of increasingly harsh school policies. It is debated but some experts believe that once a 00:36:03.470 --> 00:36:08.330 kid starts down a path of being behind, getting suspended, and going to an alternative school, 00:36:08.330 --> 00:36:13.790 they’re likely to wind up in jail or prison. As if life wasn’t hard enough for you already, 00:36:13.790 --> 00:36:17.930 if you end up here your odds of turning your life around are getting slim. 00:36:17.930 --> 00:36:23.330 FINN: I would say if you were to walk in you’d be like yeah, there’s definitely a school-to-prison 00:36:23.330 --> 00:36:29.840 pipeline, definitely. I went from an environment where it was ninety percent Caucasians where now 00:36:29.840 --> 00:36:37.370 it was, I am a part of the majority class. We’re talking about a ratio of ninety percent African 00:36:37.370 --> 00:36:44.570 Americans and I think the alternative school that I went to, it opened my eyes ‘cause I’ve seen the 00:36:44.570 --> 00:36:50.390 school-to-prison pipeline. I’ve seen people that I used to sit in with class at the alternative 00:36:50.390 --> 00:36:58.580 school get arrested at the alternative school. I’ve seen fights happen there. I’ve seen drug 00:36:58.580 --> 00:37:06.650 deals. Bad things were happening at the school but there were people – the teachers who cared. If you 00:37:06.650 --> 00:37:14.390 were having a bad day you could sit there and talk to another teacher for an entire hour until – or 00:37:14.390 --> 00:37:20.900 for however long you needed. You also had smaller classrooms so if you were – let’s say somehow you 00:37:20.900 --> 00:37:26.976 snuck in a phone you were ninety percent going to get caught. That school really did change me. 00:37:26.976 --> 00:37:32.270 FINN’S MOM: Yeah, he was actually doing very good at the alternative school. He was passing 00:37:32.270 --> 00:37:37.970 all of his classes. I even had requested that they leave him there ‘cause he was just doing 00:37:37.970 --> 00:37:47.570 so much better. Actually, he had gotten a job all on his own so he had started to like, okay, 00:37:47.570 --> 00:37:53.210 let me start trying to get myself together. A year goes by. My lawyer calls; hey, have 00:37:53.210 --> 00:37:55.880 you gotten a letter? No, I haven’t gotten a letter. She’s like well, [00:40:00] I’m 00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.940 not gonna call them. You don’t call them. They’re supposed to contact you, 00:37:58.940 --> 00:38:04.850 so we don’t. We thought it was over with. We thought nothing’s going to come of it ‘cause they 00:38:04.850 --> 00:38:11.120 had told us juvenile court doesn’t take this long to process cases. Another year comes and goes by. 00:38:11.120 --> 00:38:19.820 FINN: I come home one day after school and my sister comes in with this paper. She’s like, 00:38:19.820 --> 00:38:29.390 this is for you. I open it and it’s a court summoning. I’m like oh, fuck. 00:38:29.390 --> 00:38:34.370 Two years? Two years and they’re now wanting to 00:38:34.370 --> 00:38:42.791 send me to jail? I was prepared on day one. Why two years? I called my mom. 00:38:42.791 --> 00:38:45.080 FINN’S MOM: You know, you could tell in his voice like, 00:38:45.080 --> 00:38:50.650 his heart just sunk. So did mine. I was scared, like why wait so long? 00:38:50.650 --> 00:38:56.110 JACK: The court date comes. Finn and his mom and his lawyer sit on one side 00:38:56.110 --> 00:38:59.380 of the courtroom. On the other side is the principal, district attorney, 00:38:59.380 --> 00:39:01.300 and some members from the Board of Education. 00:39:01.300 --> 00:39:03.760 FINN: From what was said in the court, 00:39:03.760 --> 00:39:11.350 apparently in my county I’m the first person to ever been there for computer hacking. 00:39:11.350 --> 00:39:15.640 JACK: Because this was the first hacking case seen by the court and judge and DA, 00:39:15.640 --> 00:39:20.650 a lot was confusing to them. Nothing was agreed on and the principal had brought 00:39:20.650 --> 00:39:25.300 new evidence in saying his credit was damaged because his data was leaked. They had to come 00:39:25.300 --> 00:39:31.750 back a second day. On the second day Finn pled guilty and the judge convicted him of a felony. 00:39:31.750 --> 00:39:41.770 FINN’S MOM: It ended up being that he didn’t have to serve time because of the fact that 00:39:41.770 --> 00:39:47.650 in that time, for two years he had gotten a job, maintained that job, and actually 00:39:47.650 --> 00:39:51.610 had to go to work that weekend. They didn’t want to interfere with him being productive. 00:39:51.610 --> 00:39:56.500 FINN: I had six months that I could not be on social media, 00:39:56.500 --> 00:40:03.040 write a letter of apology. I have an entire year in probation, 00:40:03.040 --> 00:40:11.020 I have to pay restitution which is $1300. Every time I’m on the internet I have to be supervised. 00:40:11.020 --> 00:40:15.207 FINN’S MOM: Of course, that’s someone over eighteen so either me, my husband, 00:40:15.207 --> 00:40:19.990 or my mother had to be sitting there and able to say that we were monitoring what he was actually 00:40:19.990 --> 00:40:25.930 doing on the computer and that we saw what he was doing on the computer. But it really allowed me 00:40:25.930 --> 00:40:30.280 to see how much he spending on the computer. That’s just where our world is; everything we 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:37.750 do is either the phone or the computer. It’s even harder to limit his access when everything that 00:40:37.750 --> 00:40:43.450 he has to do involves it. I’m constantly having to stay learning. I didn’t know that emoji was a 00:40:43.450 --> 00:40:51.640 language but it is. I constantly have to stay on my toes as a parent to learn those things. 00:40:51.640 --> 00:40:58.300 My husband’s all for them; let’s just take them away and not let him have them. I’m like okay, 00:40:58.300 --> 00:41:01.870 but then they’re still going to find their friends that have them. I can’t tell you how 00:41:01.870 --> 00:41:07.750 many cell phones I’ve confiscated from him because he still tries to get on there. How 00:41:07.750 --> 00:41:14.080 do you as a parent in this computer age and time, monitor your kids? Yeah, there’s things out there, 00:41:14.080 --> 00:41:20.770 things like Circle and stuff that you can put on different devices to try to monitor and look 00:41:20.770 --> 00:41:27.040 at those things but what if you have a kid like mine that is smart enough to get past that? Then 00:41:27.040 --> 00:41:34.370 what do you do? How do you as a parent monitor that? Because you didn’t grow up in that age. 00:41:34.370 --> 00:41:41.840 After this whole incident with him, the school changed their whole computer policy. When the 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:48.440 school year started my other kids came back with a BYOD letter that we always get every year. It 00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:52.820 had completely changed and it was funny because a lot of the things they had put in there mimicked 00:41:52.820 --> 00:41:57.950 his case. I was like oh, they changed that because of my child, they changed that ‘cause of my child, 00:41:57.950 --> 00:42:04.550 they did that ‘cause of my child. But it didn’t change how they planned to deal with if another 00:42:04.550 --> 00:42:09.830 child like mine comes through there, what are you gonna do to help challenge that student? 00:42:09.830 --> 00:42:14.690 JACK: When listening to Finn’s story I have a hard time figuring out exactly where everything 00:42:14.690 --> 00:42:19.670 went wrong. Maybe this is a normal reaction to a lifetime of being bullied or growing up with the 00:42:19.670 --> 00:42:24.410 diagnosis he has. His parents did what they could to educate him and keep him out of trouble but 00:42:24.410 --> 00:42:29.150 life happens and he had to go to public school. Maybe the public school should have looked after 00:42:29.150 --> 00:42:33.650 him more and spotted his talents and shortcomings. Maybe his teachers should have noticed him being 00:42:33.650 --> 00:42:37.820 bored in class and tried to inspire him but public schools struggle with finding good 00:42:37.820 --> 00:42:42.020 teachers who will work for little pay and to be able to afford a good IT admin, so looking 00:42:42.020 --> 00:42:45.890 back on this story it just seems like there’s a number of failures here and not just one. 00:42:45.890 --> 00:42:52.010 What Finn did was wrong, really wrong. To expose personal public data like that can cause serious 00:42:52.010 --> 00:42:57.110 problems. There were dozens of people potentially hurt [00:45:00] because of this. The worst was the 00:42:57.110 --> 00:43:02.960 principal; the feeling of having your personal data posted publically is horrifying. You feel 00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:09.440 violated. Finn apologized to the principal saying he’s sorry that he was part of this. It’s clear 00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.010 from hearing this story that some schools aren’t capable of dealing with kids like him. 00:43:13.010 --> 00:43:17.000 Courts aren’t ready for these kinds of cases either and this isn’t an isolated case. I 00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:20.600 see problems like this all the time. In fact, when I was making this episode, 00:43:20.600 --> 00:43:24.530 a school IT admin approached me with a similar story. All this is happening now 00:43:24.530 --> 00:43:28.550 in 2018. Computers have been in schools for over twenty years now and when they 00:43:28.550 --> 00:43:32.330 still struggle with issues like this, it’s clear that this is a serious problem. It’s 00:43:32.330 --> 00:43:35.840 just a reminder that we’re still in the infancy of the computer age and 00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:39.560 our parents and schools and courts are still struggling to navigate through it. [MUSIC] 00:43:39.560 --> 00:43:45.960 FINN’S MOM: I am ready for him to kind of spread his wings and hopefully go off 00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:50.790 to college somewhere that he can hone in on those abilities that he has and 00:43:50.790 --> 00:43:54.330 that’s an environment I think that he would just thrive in. That’s my hope. 00:43:54.330 --> 00:44:02.490 FINN: Honestly, I don’t want to be the black hat. I don’t want to be that guy 00:44:02.490 --> 00:44:08.910 who’s always on the bad side of the spectrum. I want to be the good guy. I want to continue 00:44:08.910 --> 00:44:15.390 looking for companies who give me at least an internship. I want to make sure that 00:44:15.390 --> 00:44:22.710 I’m putting my skills to good use, to make the world and the internet a better place. 00:44:22.710 --> 00:44:28.890 JACK: Finn is a kid that the public school failed, the court systems didn’t know what to do with, and 00:44:28.890 --> 00:44:34.110 whose parents struggled to understand. A kid who wanted to be a hero just doing what he knew how 00:44:34.110 --> 00:44:40.290 to do best, and achieved his goal for one single period then became a villain of his own story. 00:44:40.290 --> 00:44:48.820 JACK (OUTRO): [OUTRO MUSIC] You’ve been listening to Darknet Diaries. If you love this show please 00:44:48.820 --> 00:44:54.280 visit darknetdiaries.com/love. There you’ll find ways to help this show and boy, does it need help. 00:44:54.280 --> 00:45:00.190 I’m Jack Rhysider and this episode was produced and edited by me and Stephanie Jenz. She’s that 00:45:00.190 --> 00:45:03.790 friend I told you about earlier that thought there was more to this than just another hacker story. 00:45:03.790 --> 00:45:09.280 Theme music is by the talented and mysterious Breakmaster Cylinder. Thanks for listening.