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JACK: There’s a lot of sexual content in this episode, and adult language and themes.

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Consider this episode explicit.

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Let’s talk about your smart phone.

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How much does it know about you?

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[MUSIC] It knows when you’re sleeping because you put it down next to your bed and the room

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is quiet and dark for eight hours.

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It knows all the things you say on Twitter, your e-mail conversations, your Facebook messages,

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and it knows what games you like to play.

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But the most personal thing I think it knows about you is what you look like naked.

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Cosmo Magazine conducted a survey on 850 millennial women and 89% of them said they took nude

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selfies.

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Now, if nine out of ten women are taking naked photos of themselves, this could be a problem.

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JACK (INTRO): [INTRO MUSIC] These are true stories from the dark side of the internet.

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I’m Jack Rhysider.

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This is Darknet Diaries.

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[INTRO MUSIC ENDS]

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JACK: Okay, here’s the situation.

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Suppose you’re in a loving relationship.

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You let your boyfriend or girlfriend take a photo of you and you show some skin, like

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a lot of skin.

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You might even let them film yourselves having sex.

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Sure, why not?

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It’s fun and exciting and you’re exploring your own sexuality to see what you’re comfortable

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with.

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A lot of people do it, no problem.

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But then one day your relationship goes sour, really sour.

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There’s a breakup.

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It’s ugly.

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Huge fights, lots of tears, someone feels betrayed and used and cheated.

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They’re mad.

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They’re really upset and they want to do something to make you feel bad, too.

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Tony Robbins taught me that a core need in a relationship is the need to feel significant.

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If a person in a relationship doesn’t feel significant they might lash out at you to

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bring you down to their level.

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They fulfill their need to be significant by creating significant problems.

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What might a person like that do?

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Well, they have your nude photos, maybe even a video of you having sex, and they decide

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to post it online, [MUSIC ] plastering it all over social media; Reddit, Instagram,

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Twitter, Facebook.

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Boom, now your naked body is out there for anyone to see.

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They’re sharing it with your coworkers and your classmates and your family.

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All your friends see it, too.

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It’s horrible.

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Now you feel completely ruined.

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The laws around this are vague and practically nonexistent.

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They took the photo with their camera with your consent but now years later you want

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to put restrictions on where they can share that photo?

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The situation is ugly.

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This is called revenge porn and it’s been a thing online since Usenet forums back in

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the 90s.

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Heck, even in the 80s there was a section in Hustler Magazine that encouraged readers

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to submit personal photos.

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A lot of these photos that were submitted were without the women’s permission.

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Revenge porn has been getting bigger over time.

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One guy saw this gaining in popularity and decided to take matters into his own hands.

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Kevin Bollaert.

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He thought hey, I bet a lot of people would like to see amateur photos of old boyfriends

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and girlfriends.

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He made a site that lets anonymous users upload revenge porn for anyone to look at.

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Kevin’s site grew in popularity.

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Some people like seeing amateur pics and realcore porn.

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Since porn already feels secret, looking at photos you aren’t supposed to ever see felt

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even more forbidden, maybe even more exciting.

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Kevin’s website yougotposted.com was growing bigger and bigger.

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Hundreds of people were uploading nude pics of old boyfriends and girlfriends often with

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horrible descriptions, calling their ex-girlfriend a slut or a whore.

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90% of the pics are females, too.

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Kevin’s site grew but when women saw their photos were posted to the site they would

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get furious and e-mail Kevin asking for it to be removed.

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Kevin was willing to remove it but thought these people were so desperate to have it

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removed, why not try to get some cash out of them?

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Kevin created a second site, changemyreputation.com where for around $300 you could pay to get

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your pics removed from yougotposted.com.

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It was working.

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People were actually paying to have their images removed.

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Things were looking good for Kevin.

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In the first year of his site being up, ten thousand people submitted nude photos of their

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exes.

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He received thousands of take-down e-mails which converted to tens of thousands of dollars

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in cash until December 12th, 2013.

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That’s when the police arrested Kevin.

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His dream of being a big entrepreneur came to a sudden halt.

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He was being charged with thirty-one counts of conspiracy, identity theft, and extortion.

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During trial a few of the victims that got their photos posted spoke up and explained

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how much damage it cost.

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Here’s one victim.

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VICTIM1: I’m homeless because of this.

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I lost my family, friends.

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I’ve lost almost everything because of this.

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JACK: Here’s another victim.

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VICTIM2: [00:05:00] I tried to commit myself to a mental institution after this happened

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because I was so overwhelmed.

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I would spend hours on the floor crying.

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JACK: There were ten thousand victims of revenge porn that were posted to his site.

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Even Kevin began crying at some point in the court room when he realized how bad his site

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had hurt people.

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Once the jury heard all this they convicted Kevin of twenty-seven felonies and the judge

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sentenced him to eighteen years in prison.

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Eighteen years in prison.

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Kevin felt remorse and apologized to everyone he’s hurt.

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Kevin never uploaded any images himself, though.

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He only ran the site to let anonymous people do that.

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He started the site just to make money but after one year yougotposted.com was closed

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down.

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About this time a guy named Hunter Moore starts hitting the news.

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Oh, where do I even begin with Hunter?

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There is so much to him.

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Of all the rabbit holes I’ve ever gone down on the internet the Hunter Moore story is

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one of the strangest I’ve found.

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He grew up in Sacramento, California and when he was around twenty-one years old he got

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a job working at Zumiez, a trendy clothing store in the mall.

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But while working there something happened that I think put him on a trajectory that

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would define his life.

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Okay, so he’s working in the clothing shop and he sees that the male manager keeps asking

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another sixteen year old male coworker to try on certain clothes.

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The manager asks Hunter to try on some clothes too so Hunter puts the clothes on and then

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comes out of the dressing room.

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On Hunter’s YouTube channel he explains what happens next and this is where this episode

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starts getting explicit.

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HUNTER: Homeboy comes up to me, the sixteen year old.

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He’s like yo, man, he keeps making me try these fucking clothes on.

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He’s like I know what he’s doing.

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He was like, freaking out.

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I’m like, what’s going on little dude?

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Tell me what’s up.

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He’s like okay, look right there.

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Look right here.

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There’s cameras by the dressing room, dude.

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He’s like, he watches us and when we come out he can kind of see us or whatever.

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I’m like, what the fuck?

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He’s like yeah, he goes in the office and he jerks off ‘cause he can look at all the

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video.

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He can edit it and shit.

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It’s on a private server.

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JACK: Hunter doesn’t know what to think about this and goes back to work like normal.

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But the manager would casually pass by Hunter and touch him inappropriately.

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HUNTER: As time goes on he’s grabbing my ass more.

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JACK: One day Hunter’s ringing a cute girl up at the cash register.

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He’s hitting on her.

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The manager’s watching him ring her up.

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HUNTER: I’m talking to the girl.

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I’m like haha yeah, yeah.

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Oh, what’s your name?

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Haha.

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Well he comes up from behind me right, and he comes like real slow, like a stalker, dude.

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He comes from behind.

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He puts his hands like this, boom.

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Puts them on my stomach and then goes down to my cock like under my fucking pants, like

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both hands.

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He didn’t jerk me off or anything, he just put his hands down my pants and he goes and

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kisses me on the neck and he goes Hunter, we all know you’re a fag.

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Then like smiles, dude, and fucking walks away.

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JACK: Initially Hunter was mostly angry that he lost his chance with this girl but then

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he starts thinking how creepy all this was.

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He felt like he wanted to quit but he kept working to the end of his shift and after

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the store closed he’s counting the money in the register.

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HUNTER: I’m closing up the last drawer.

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He comes up from behind me hella creepy like and I’m like, I wish the motherfucker would

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just do it.

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In my periphs I see him, dude.

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I’m like, what’s up?

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He comes up from behind me, he’s like don’t be mad.

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Right when he said mad, I went like this, yaa!

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And I fucking hit him, dude, busted his whole shit.

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He goes back, he’s like aah, what the hell?

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Then grabs me, dude, throws me against the wall.

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Boom! Wounded, right?

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I’m leaking.

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I don’t remember anything but I fall on the floor.

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What happens?

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I’m laying on the floor right, well, I come to, dude, and he’s dragging me across the

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floor. Whoosh, whoosh.

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All I think is he’s trying to pull my pants off and rape me dude, and I just start kicking.

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Get off of me! I get up.

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I kick his fat fucking ass off me ‘cause I had take off out the door, right?

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I didn’t even know I’m bleeding, I’m leaking.

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I’m driving home.

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I’m like fuck, this fool just tried to rape me.

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I’m calling everyone, I’m on my Sidekick.

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This is how old this shit is.

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I’m texting people.

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I’m like yo, let’s fuck this fool up.

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This guy just raped me.

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I couldn’t even think straight ‘cause now I wouldn’t even tell people that shit.

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But dude, I wanted to kill this guy.

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I get home.

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My friends are at my door, my dad’s there and he’s ready with a fucking pistol.

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We’re ready to go, dude.

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Then we calm down, we’re thinking about it.

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We’re like yo, why don’t we just sue the company?

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So that’s what happened, dude.

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JACK: He finds out that the manager fondled two other employees, too.

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He gets these other guys together and they get a lawyer and sue the manager.

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They get together with the other lawyers and the mediator and try to sort this case out.

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HUNTER: Yeah, we get there and we’re talking, we’re talking.

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We tell all of our stories, how it affected us, this all bullshit fucking court antics

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lunacy.

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They tell the mediator how much they’re gonna offer us, right.

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The fucking mediator comes back and he was like alright guys, I got your first offer.

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You guys ready?

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[00:10:00] He was like $25,000 for all of you.

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I was like nah, we’re going to court.

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We’ll see them in fucking trial.

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Fuck this shit.

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Fuck this shit, naw, hell naw, we’re losing our minds, dude.

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We’re like fuck these fools.

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That’s what being raped is only worth, is twenty-five grand.

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We were losing our minds, dude.

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JACK: Hunter and his two coworkers wanted more from this and they wanted to see how

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high they could go.

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The attorneys came back and offered fifty grand.

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Nope. A hundred grand.

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Nope.

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They wanted more than that and they kept saying let’s take this to court.

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The manager’s attorney met with them one more time.

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HUNTER: They come in right, and they were like alright guys, well we just want to know

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how it affected you long-term since this situation happened.

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So I tell my story again, same old bullshit.

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I’m just kind of whatever, you know?

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Anyway, so Ray tells his story and he just starts bawling dude, like he touched me [CRYING

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SOUNDS].

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I know he’s not serious right, so I have my head down like this, like I’m sad.

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But really, I’m trying not to laugh.

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I get up right, I’m like this.

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[MUFFLED] I’m looking around the room and I look at fucking the sixteen year old kid

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and we connect eyes, dude, and it was the hardest fucking thing not to laugh, man.

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It was fucking horrible.

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The lawyers, they were like okay, thank you.

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They walk out the room.

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They’re like we’re sorry this happened to you.

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Telling Ray, patting him on the hand and shit.

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Ray, as soon as the door shuts, he goes from [CRYING] he touched me and he just starts

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fucking laughing, dude.

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All of us in the room dude, we just all started cracking up.

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They come back with that fucking final number, dude.

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It all worked.

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JACK: Hunter was awarded $300,000 for this sexual harassment case but that’s not what

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Hunter’s known for.

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We’re just getting started with Hunter.

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He had this entrepreneurial spirit and wanted to create his own company or something.

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[MUSIC] But he had no idea what to do.

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So he took the money and just started partying hard.

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Like, he’d go to Australia for a crazy party or New York and he’d drink a lot and smoke

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a lot, and do a lot of weed and probably even harder drugs.

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Then he’d come back home and look for the next fun thing to do.

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Being twenty-two years old with $300,000 in your pocket?

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Of course you’re gonna have a little fun.

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But Hunter didn’t know when to stop.

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He kept hanging out at clubs and spent a lot of his money on lavish lifestyle and partying

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and girls and music and drugs.

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He started Djing at some parties too, and he wasn’t really that good at it.

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He barely knew what he was doing for his first gig and at other gigs he would just play mixes

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he made the day before.

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He got a lot of tattoos during this time.

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The first one was across his chest and it said Forgive Me, I Have Sinned.

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Then he got a tattoo of his mother and his father on his arm, and a lot of religious

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symbols.

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He only wore black and white clothing, like black denim pants often.

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He seemed to wear shirts that say OBEY on them.

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Some shirts had ornate wings and crosses on them, too.

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He got a good taste of this lifestyle of luxury and fun for a short while and he attracted

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a lot of women, too.

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One camera followed him around to a club.

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Here he is talking to women in there.

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HUNTER: [MUSIC] Why are you in love with me?

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GIRL1: Because you’re hard to get.

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HUNTER: Ooh.

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Hello, you’re really pretty.

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GIRL2: Thank you!

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HUNTER: What are you doing here tonight?

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GIRL2: Just hanging out.

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HUNTER: Are you looking for the love of your life?

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GIRL2: No, I’m not.

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HUNTER: Why not?

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What’s the deal, do you have a boyfriend already?

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GIRL2: No.

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I just don’t want to meet a guy at a club.

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HUNTER: Well listen, my girlfriend’s here tonight.

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I met her at a club.

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We had sex for the first day I met her, probably within, I don’t know, twenty minutes of

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meeting her.

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I thought she was a whore.

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Did you come here tonight to find your significant other?

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GIRL3: Hell no.

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HUNTER: Did you come to have a one-night stand?

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GIRL3: Yes! HUNTER: Yeah!

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JACK: Yeah, whether it was the money or being a DJ or the drugs or just being at so many

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parties, it was working for Hunter.

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He was having a blast and getting a lot of women.

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I think at some point, maybe around five years into this, the money started to run short.

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In fact, he ran totally out of cash and had negative money in his account.

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He wanted to make some kind of business but didn’t actually do anything with the time

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or money he had.

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But he was introduced to a new lifestyle which altered the way he sees people.

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At some point, as things started slowing down, he hooked up with a girl who was sending him

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a lot of nude photos of herself.

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He tried to share these photos with a friend but it didn’t work.

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His friend convinced him to upload them to a website so he can see it.

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Hunter took an old domain he had lying around called isanyoneup.com and published those

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photos there.

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His friends thought it was cool and they wanted to publish some photos, too.

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Hunter gave them the ability to post nude photos of women they’re sleeping with, too.

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This was all just for a laugh between bros and Hunter really thought nothing of it.

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[MUSIC] But then a short time after that, Hunter checked the stats on the site and saw

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that [00:15:00] 14,000 people had visited the site in just a few weeks.

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Hunter thought whoa, there may be something to this and decided to turn isanyoneup.com

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into a site where people can anonymously post nude photos of their boyfriends or girlfriends

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so anyone can see it.

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He designed the site with a sort of metalcore flair to it, a gothic style font and punkish

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and metal overtones.

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He built the site and started promoting it; Twitter, Facebook, forums.

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He’d get girls at parties to wear shirts with the URL on it and sure enough, the site

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rose in popularity fairly quickly.

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People were posting a lot of nudes from exes or current relationships that anyone could

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go check out.

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Hunter took this a step further and when you post someone’s photo you can also add a

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link to their Facebook profile.

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Now when you see a nude photo of someone on there, you can very creepily go check out

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their Facebook page, too.

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Yeah, this resulted in a major creep fest.

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Girls who got posted on the site got a lot of really nasty messages and pretty much all

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the photos posted there were without the person’s permission which made a lot of people feel

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extremely violated.

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Dick pics also showed up on the site, but not just anyone’s dick pics.

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These were often pics of male band members from the metalcore genre of music.

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The members of this site found this exciting and got a lot of attention when it happened.

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Male rock star sex tapes had their own version of popularity.

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We had Bret Michaels, Fred Durst, Kid Rock, and Tommy Lee with sex tapes.

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This all made big news, so seeing the penises of metalcore band members was kind of a wonder

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to see.

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Over time more and more of these male band member dick pics would show up.

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It was weird.

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But what was weirder is what happened on the site next.

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Each day there would be a pic of the day and that person would be queen or king of the

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site for a day which resulted in them getting a lot of attention for their nude photos.

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With links to their Facebook page, this got them a lot of messages.

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Now, some people actually liked this kind of attention.

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Some girls would post their own nudes just to get a weird sort of affection for the day,

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and you’d see male band members post dick pics the same day they’d announce a new

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album or a tour coming up which would give him a bump in popularity right at the time

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he needed it.

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The site took on a very weird cult following and attracted some people with a strange appreciation

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for Hunter.

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But there were a lot of people who absolutely hated this.

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Women who got posted and they got a lot of really creepy messages on Facebook, they’d

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complain to Hunter and Facebook about this.

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Facebook issued cease and desist to Hunter but Hunter just sent them a dick pic of himself

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back to Facebook, so Hunter got banned from Facebook for life.

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I think the same for Twitter, too.

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I think Facebook blocked any links to isanyoneup.com and at the same time this made his fans like

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him even more.

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They liked Hunter’s unapologetic persona and the way he would respond to hate mail.

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Isanyoneup.com was getting more and more popular and Hunter was getting more of a following.

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In fact, he appeared on the Anderson Cooper Show, where Anderson brought in two women

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whose photos were posted to the site without their consent.

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ANDERSON: Do you feel bad about doing this to – I mean, you don’t know these women.

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You don’t know anything about them.

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Just anonymous people give you the pictures.

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Why are you – what’s right about them not…

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HUNTER: I mean, that’s kind of what makes it easier, you know?

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It is all anonymous.

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I don’t know these people.

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ANDERSON: But they’re sitting right here.

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You don’t feel any…

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HUNTER: No.

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I mean, no one put a gun to your head and made you take these pictures.

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It’s 2011.

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Everything’s on the internet.

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VIC3: But if we’re choosing to send them to somebody that we trust, that doesn’t

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mean that we expect them to show up on the internet.

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You’re helping someone who’s probably spiteful of a situation exploit someone without

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their permission.

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JACK: After that he appeared on Dr. Drew’s show.

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Dr. Drew had a woman call in whose pics were posted to his site and she complained to Hunter

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about the pain this caused her.

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DR.DREW: What do you think, Hunter?

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HUNTER: I don’t know how you can point your finger at me.

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You took the picture.

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I’ve been justifying this in my head for over a year and a half, what I do in the site

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that I run.

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But at the end of the day it started with you and you took these pictures.

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I don’t know how old you are but I’m sure you’re smart and go to school.

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It’s 2012.

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What do you expect to happen?

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Somebody’s going to monetize this and I was the person.

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JACK: Then another person called in and said her daughter’s computer was hacked and her

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pics were posted to the site somehow.

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HUNTER: Your daughter said she was hacked, correct?

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Usually people that are embarrassed who made mistakes usually try to fall back on something

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else.

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I’m sure she sent the pictures to a million different guys and it just ended up on my

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site just like everybody else.

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JACK: Then ABC News caught up with him and interviewed Hunter at his house.

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Hunter starts explaining that there are so many pictures being uploaded to the site.

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HUNTER: It never stops.

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People are submitting all the time.

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Is Anyone Up?

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It’s where revengeful exes come for a peace of mind.

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Your ex-girlfriend who you’ve done dirty, she can come to my site and we will take care

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of her.

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JACK: While the term revenge porn has been around before, I think it was actually Hunter

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[00:20:00] who now popularized it.

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Here he is talking about it on ABC back in 2012.

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I think this is how the term actually became mainstream.

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Hunter expressed that he has no empathy for the people that are posted to his site.

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HUNTER: No.

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They’re just characters and avatars and icons on a screen.

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JACK: Alright, so you might be putting some pieces together at this point and you’re

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like how is this guy on TV?

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How was he getting away with this?

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The truth is, according to federal law, he was in the clear.

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It’s the people who post it that might be breaking the law but not actually the place

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where it’s hosted.

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Hunter had a lawyer and checked all this out and it was fully legal what he was doing.

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You might be wondering but wait, what about yougotposted.com?

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That guy got eighteen years in prison.

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I’m pretty sure he got that because he was charging people to remove the pics, which

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is extortion.

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Hunter told ABC about a story of a victim of the site that came after him.

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HUNTER: I was walking out of my house one day and out of nowhere the girl we had posted,

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or I had posted, she stuck me in the shoulder with a Bic pen.

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This is the scar I have left.

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They had to surgically remove it.

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JACK: All his TV appearances just made his site rise up in popularity even more and more.

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It was a great boost for his business.

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[MUSIC] He now had forty to seventy million people a month visiting his site.

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Some just were curious.

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Some were victims.

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Some were people submitting stuff but most people came to look at nude photos.

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He was making around $30,000 a month on this site just from ads at this point and it gave

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him the ability to host lavish parties.

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He was Djing again and sponsoring some tours for bands.

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Hunter’s lavish lifestyle wouldn’t last forever, though.

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After the break we’ll hear how everything comes crashing down.

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Stay with us.

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The success of isanyoneup.com gave Hunter that party lifestyle that he always wanted,

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that entrepreneur flair.

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He developed a sort of god complex.

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He was doing a lot of cocaine and drinking gallons of vodka, smoking cigarettes and trying

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to get with any woman he found hot.

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The BBC interviewed him and wrote an article about him, calling him the most hated man

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on the internet but Hunter just replied by saying he loves the attention and that he

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feels like he’s giving people a hard lesson on how technology and privacy works in the

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modern era.

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I think at this point Anonymous and 4chan started campaigning against Hunter and began

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submitting a massive amount of child porn to his site.

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Now, Hunter had set it up so he had to approve every photo before it would go on this site,

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so he had to sit there and look at thousands of child porn photos and animal porn and really

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brutal porn images.

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In one interview Hunter said the amount of stuff he has to look at is so overwhelming

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and endless and horrible but he has to filter out all the illegal stuff and he just doesn’t

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see any way around it.

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This constant work of keeping the site going and the endless pressure from people to take

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it down, and all the hate he was getting and the way the media portrayed his site, it led

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Hunter to do one thing; pull the plug on his own site.

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After about a year and a half after he launched it he gave it to another website who changed

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it to something else.

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He even got a tattoo to commemorate taking down isanyoneup.com.

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His tattoo said Hated in French, right on the back of his right hand.

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But Hunter was still addicted to this lifestyle of music and women and drugs and he kept partying

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harder and harder.

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At this point a reporter from Rolling Stone Magazine started following Hunter around to

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see what he’s up to.

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That story from Rolling Stone is incredible.

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I mean, I could go on another hour just talking about that alone but it has nothing to do

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with computers so I’m gonna skip it.

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But just in case you’re curious, he went on a wild party through New York, met a lot

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of crazy girls, did a ton of drugs, broke some DJ’s nose, got knocked out himself,

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started a huge brawl, and then came back to California.

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I even think he tried to get laid and start a fight on the plane ride home.

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It’s really crazy rock star level stories that I didn’t believe when Hunter told it,

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but because the Rolling Stone reporters said they were there too, I guess it is true.

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When isanyoneup.com was up, this young woman’s topless photo got posted there.

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VIC3: I had taken the photos of myself.

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I had stored them on my computer just for no reason at all.

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JACK: That’s where they stayed.

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She claims she never sent them to anyone, ever.

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She says she must have been hacked in order for someone to have posted her photos to that

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site.

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Now actually, a few other people said the same thing but nobody really believed them.

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But this young woman’s mother was a private investigator.

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Her mother tried to figure out things for herself.

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CHARLOTTE: Just to see my daughter in tears over this and I felt so helpless.

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She was blaming herself which is what a lot of victims do.

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I talked to nine attorneys at the beginning.

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They did not have a clue about what to do.

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JACK: This is Charlotte Laws speaking with CNN about what she did with this.

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Charlotte started building a file on Hunter and she created a huge list of victims of

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the site, compiling it all in a big box of papers.

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Being a private investigator, she wanted to go check out one of Hunter’s parties herself.

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CHARLOTTE: In addition to running the site he would periodically host parties.

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I’m locking the door, my car [00:25:00] door, and I have this crazy getup on.

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I have this white pasty stuff on my face, this black wig, this little cap, sunglasses,

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I mean, I looked pretty humorous.

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I turned around in the parking lot and the person who’s standing there in my face is

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Hunter Moore.

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JACK: She was bold and brazen and Hunter knew she was after him and would tell his friends.

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They’d go to her house and stalk her and try to scare her.

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But she persisted to build a case on Hunter and eventually found that a lot of victims

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of the site were claiming to have been hacked, too.

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She compiled a list of evidence and sent it to the FBI who knew that if they could prove

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that Hunter was hacking, they could send him to prison.

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The FBI investigated the case and found in fact there was someone hacking into people’s

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accounts and posting it on the site.

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His hacker named was Gary Jones.

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Somehow this CNN reporter tracked down the hacker and called them on the phone.

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Here’s the hacker talking about working with Hunter.

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GARY: He offered me money.

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I was in a bad place, said no for about eight months.

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I got fired from my job for drinking.

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JACK: When he hacked into these people he felt shameless about it.

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GARY: [MUSIC] It doesn’t feel real when I’m in my room, lights off, door locked,

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drinking, I don’t feel the consequences.

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If I had to look at somebody in the face and do that, you know, it’d be a different story.

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I did it for money.

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Again, that makes me sound like a monster but it’s scary how quickly I would drop

00:26:35.540 --> 00:26:36.540
my morals for so little.

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How much those women were worth.

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To me it was like five hundred a week, a thousand a week, something like that.

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It was really just my habits.

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You have to do all these mental gymnastics to be able to live with yourself.

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JACK: The FBI had enough evidence on Hunter at this point and were ready to take him down.

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Here’s Hunter.

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HUNTER: I did a show in Buffalo, New York and I had flown back.

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I was just at home and I smoked a huge blunt and I was like you know what?

00:27:02.470 --> 00:27:04.790
It’s gonna be a good year or something.

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I remember just feeling good and I had my big old fat cat next to me and I was just

00:27:09.600 --> 00:27:10.600
chilling.

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Then it was probably three in the morning when I fell asleep.

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I woke up about three hours later super high and the feds were all standing around me.

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They were like yeah, get dressed.

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I was like what the fuck?

00:27:22.740 --> 00:27:24.510
I just didn’t understand.

00:27:24.510 --> 00:27:30.390
Not only was I high and completely out of it, I had a god complex at this time, too.

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I was on the top of my game, I was making retarded money, it just didn’t compute in

00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:42.020
my brain like, what the fuck are you guys doing here?

00:27:42.020 --> 00:27:43.020
It was weird, man.

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I don’t know how to explain it.

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JACK: The FBI arrested Hunter and took him to the police station to be processed.

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He then got to go home and wait for his trial date.

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For two years he had to wait and during that time he was completely banned from using the

00:27:54.860 --> 00:27:58.580
internet on top of already being banned from Facebook for life.

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Eventually his trial date came and Hunter was charged with aggravated identity theft

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and aiding and abetting to unauthorized access to a computer which landed him in prison for

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thirty months and a measly $145 in restitution.

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[MUSIC] Weird stuff happens online, like really weird stuff.

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You know about 4chan, right?

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At its core it’s just a place where people can upload photos and comment on them anonymously.

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But it’s like the underbelly cesspool of the internet.

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Horrible and grotesque photos are posted there.

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A lot of porn, too.

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It’s mixed with gore.

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It’s just awful.

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Another site similar to 4chan was around at the same time called Anon-IB.

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Again, it was a site that just let you post pictures anonymously but Anon-IB had a section

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on it that sort of took the place of isanyoneup.com.

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There was a board just for revenge porn and that’s where people moved to.

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But then a new board showed up called S-T-O-L, STOL, and this board was dedicated to posting

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stolen photos, mostly nude photos of women.

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People would post nude images they stole from other people’s phones or something.

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I don’t even know what the name of this is.

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It’s not quite revenge porn; maybe stolen porn?

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Anyways, Anon-IB was now becoming the go-to place for revenge porn and also to post stolen

00:29:23.210 --> 00:29:24.210
nudes.

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But every now and then somebody would post a stolen nude of a musician or a celebrity.

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These were always crowd favorites but it was really rare.

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People who stole celebrity photos didn’t post them willfully but they would trade them

00:29:36.090 --> 00:29:37.090
privately.

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A really weird underground nude photo exchange started happening.

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Essentially if you had an unreleased nude photo of a celebrity you could trade those

00:29:45.600 --> 00:29:48.190
for more unreleased nude photos of celebrities.

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A small group of people were doing this on Anon-IB, sometimes teasing a little of what

00:29:53.810 --> 00:29:59.360
they had to the public image boards but for the most part keeping it all very hush-hush.

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How do you think people were getting these [00:30:00] unreleased nude photos of celebrities?

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Was it paparazzi following them into the bathroom or the beach?

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No, not those photos.

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Those would just be published to TMZ or something.

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The people on Anon-IB were hacking into the celebrities’ accounts.

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Here’s how they did it.

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[MUSIC] First they did targeted open source intelligence-gathering on specific celebrities

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to try to find their e-mail address.

00:30:24.730 --> 00:30:28.760
This would be doing things like scouring their social media if anyone’s posted an e-mail

00:30:28.760 --> 00:30:32.780
address there or are Googling looking for their e-mail, or are searching online databases

00:30:32.780 --> 00:30:34.299
or doing something like that.

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The hacker would try to find out if a celebrity had an iPhone or an Android.

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You can look at someone’s tweets and it often says whether it was sent from an iPhone

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or not.

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Because if they do have an iPhone, that means they have iCloud.

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iCloud is an automatic backup storage for iPhones.

00:30:49.740 --> 00:30:54.679
Whatever pics you take on your iPhone can automatically get backed up to iCloud so if

00:30:54.679 --> 00:30:58.720
you lose or break your phone you don’t lose your pictures, apps, or settings.

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Once the hacker had a celebrity’s e-mail address they’d make a few fake e-mail addresses

00:31:02.990 --> 00:31:03.990
for themselves.

00:31:03.990 --> 00:31:12.650
They’d make addresses like emailprotection@icloud.com or noreplyhelpdesk@outlook.com or securehelpdesk@gmail.com,

00:31:12.650 --> 00:31:14.820
stuff like that.

00:31:14.820 --> 00:31:20.230
Then they’d clone the website for Apple’s iCloud login page and host it on their own

00:31:20.230 --> 00:31:21.230
server.

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The clone would be a pixel perfect copy.

00:31:23.990 --> 00:31:28.970
Here’s where things get tricky; the cloned iCloud login page did two things.

00:31:28.970 --> 00:31:33.130
First, when you type in your username and password, it would save that in clear text

00:31:33.130 --> 00:31:34.830
so the hacker could see it.

00:31:34.830 --> 00:31:39.790
But then as soon as you click Log In it redirects you to the actual iCloud login, so it looks

00:31:39.790 --> 00:31:44.040
like you just entered the password wrong on your first try and you just need to try again.

00:31:44.040 --> 00:31:46.930
It’s really slick and tricky to notice.

00:31:46.930 --> 00:31:51.310
All this is actually very simple to create using the social engineering toolkit which

00:31:51.310 --> 00:31:54.740
is a popular hacking tool designed to social engineer a victim.

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Now the hacker will send an e-mail to the celebrity claiming to be from Apple’s iCloud

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service and that something went wrong with your account and you need to click here to

00:32:02.520 --> 00:32:04.640
log in to resolve the issue.

00:32:04.640 --> 00:32:09.450
So if a person were to click the link, it goes to the clone to iCloud website and the

00:32:09.450 --> 00:32:11.040
user types in their username and password.

00:32:11.040 --> 00:32:13.470
Now the hacker has the login for that celebrity.

00:32:13.470 --> 00:32:18.530
Once the hacker has the login information they can use a tool like ElcomSoft to simply

00:32:18.530 --> 00:32:21.950
copy everything off that iCloud storage account.

00:32:21.950 --> 00:32:25.840
When a hacker got into an iCloud account of a celebrity, they could see all the photos

00:32:25.840 --> 00:32:30.890
that celebrity has taken with their phone; vacation photos, pictures of the family, and

00:32:30.890 --> 00:32:34.000
most importantly for the hacker, nudes.

00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:40.790
Yes, many celebrities have nude photos of themselves on their phones.

00:32:40.790 --> 00:32:44.520
Another method these hackers used to hack into iCloud accounts was by using a tool called

00:32:44.520 --> 00:32:46.170
iDict, like iDictionary.

00:32:46.170 --> 00:32:49.050
Basically it’s a brute force login tool.

00:32:49.050 --> 00:32:52.820
You give it what iCloud username you want to access and it will cycle through thousands

00:32:52.820 --> 00:32:56.060
of commonly-used passwords to see if any of them will get in.

00:32:56.060 --> 00:32:59.910
iCloud had a feature that if you failed to login too many times it would lock you out

00:32:59.910 --> 00:33:03.840
but iDict was somehow able to bypass that lockout mechanism.

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Half these hackers couldn’t get into iCloud.

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They would try to get into the e-mail address of the user by posing as Google or Yahoo and

00:33:10.100 --> 00:33:14.400
sending a phishing e-mail saying their account needs attention and to log in to fix it.

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Except of course, the link is to the hacker’s server and not Google.

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If all that didn’t work, hackers would just try to scour a celebrity’s social media

00:33:20.950 --> 00:33:25.750
account looking for possible answers to the account recovery questions like maybe a celebrity

00:33:25.750 --> 00:33:30.280
set the account recovery question to be what is your first car?

00:33:30.280 --> 00:33:34.060
Maybe that celebrity posts pictures of them in their car and a hacker tries to figure

00:33:34.060 --> 00:33:35.770
out what kind of car that is.

00:33:35.770 --> 00:33:38.330
This actually worked for a few accounts.

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[MUSIC] In the spring of 2013 this hacking of celebrities was going on like crazy.

00:33:43.820 --> 00:33:47.930
There was this underground group of hackers that were hitting hundreds and hundreds of

00:33:47.930 --> 00:33:52.410
people with these phishing attacks, many of them celebrities, almost all of them women,

00:33:52.410 --> 00:33:56.280
and they were getting access to a ton of iCloud storage accounts.

00:33:56.280 --> 00:34:00.760
Then these hackers would trade usernames, passwords, photos, and other things amongst

00:34:00.760 --> 00:34:01.760
each other.

00:34:01.760 --> 00:34:03.370
A lot of these were A-list celebrities.

00:34:03.370 --> 00:34:08.210
Here’s just a few that the hackers got into: Jennifer Lawrence’s account, Rihanna, Kim

00:34:08.210 --> 00:34:12.750
Kardashian, Vanessa Hudgens, Kate Upton, her boyfriend Justin Verlander who plays on the

00:34:12.750 --> 00:34:18.370
Houston Astros, Kirsten Dunst, Emma Watson, soccer star Hope Solo, Mary Elizabeth Winstead,

00:34:18.370 --> 00:34:21.220
Jill Scott, Victoria Justice, and McKayla Maroney.

00:34:21.220 --> 00:34:25.050
Some of these people were young, like eighteen, nineteen and they probably took some of these

00:34:25.050 --> 00:34:27.750
nude photos when they were under eighteen.

00:34:27.750 --> 00:34:29.190
But that’s just to name a few celebrities.

00:34:29.190 --> 00:34:30.520
There were so many more.

00:34:30.520 --> 00:34:35.220
Hundreds of people were hacked by this group, all trading photos amongst each other on Anon-IB.

00:34:35.220 --> 00:34:36.840
For over a year this goes on.

00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:39.520
Hackers were getting into one account after another after another.

00:34:39.520 --> 00:34:43.480
It was sort of for sport, sort of for an adrenaline rush.

00:34:43.480 --> 00:34:46.919
It was almost like they were doing it for trophy collections or something.

00:34:46.919 --> 00:34:50.679
In my research for this I found this really weird interview when all this hacking was

00:34:50.679 --> 00:34:51.679
going on.

00:34:51.679 --> 00:34:55.350
It’s with Jennifer Lawrence talking to a reporter from MTV on the red carpet.

00:34:55.350 --> 00:34:59.630
The reporter was looking something up on his iPhone and they both looked down at his iPhone.

00:34:59.630 --> 00:35:00.630
Jennifer Lawrence then says…

00:35:00.630 --> 00:35:01.630
JENNIFER: [00:35:00] Wait, does that say iCloud backup?

00:35:01.630 --> 00:35:02.630
Oh, never mind.

00:35:02.630 --> 00:35:04.540
My iCloud keeps telling me to back it up and I’m like, I don’t know how to back you

00:35:04.540 --> 00:35:07.010
up. Do it yourself.

00:35:07.010 --> 00:35:13.370
JACK: This is so crazy to me because she probably had her iPhone hacked like days before that

00:35:13.370 --> 00:35:14.370
interview.

00:35:14.370 --> 00:35:16.510
You can hear her frustration with iCloud.

00:35:16.510 --> 00:35:20.140
It wasn’t with iCloud; her frustration was with the hackers who kept telling her her

00:35:20.140 --> 00:35:22.180
iCloud needed attention.

00:35:22.180 --> 00:35:26.530
Jennifer had no idea a hacker had gained into her iCloud storage and were looking at all

00:35:26.530 --> 00:35:28.160
her photos she took with her iPhone.

00:35:28.160 --> 00:35:33.440
Now at this time, Jennifer had a boyfriend named Nick but this was a long distance relationship

00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:37.960
so to keep things interesting Jennifer would take a few nude selfies and then send them

00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:40.110
to Nick. Not just one.

00:35:40.110 --> 00:35:41.400
She did it a bunch of times.

00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:46.950
But these were meant for her and him only but now there was a hacker in her iCloud account

00:35:46.950 --> 00:35:50.680
finding these and going bonkers about it.

00:35:50.680 --> 00:35:55.320
She had no idea these photos were being traded through an underground group of people.

00:35:55.320 --> 00:35:59.150
She would continue to not know for another three months.

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[MUSIC] At some point someone saw Anon-IB was trading celebrity nudes and bought a few.

00:36:05.310 --> 00:36:10.030
They got the idea that if they make a collection of a bunch of these pics they could possibly

00:36:10.030 --> 00:36:14.040
release it and people would be so happy that they’d tip him with Bitcoin.

00:36:14.040 --> 00:36:18.100
This collector started buying up a ton of these photos, spending hundreds of dollars

00:36:18.100 --> 00:36:21.860
in Bitcoin to create the collection, maybe even spending thousands of dollars.

00:36:21.860 --> 00:36:25.880
They spent weeks creating sets and getting certain celebrities and putting together a

00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:27.460
big collection.

00:36:27.460 --> 00:36:31.690
Some chatter started going on over at 4chan, people saying things like some guys over on

00:36:31.690 --> 00:36:34.190
STOL are hoarding a major win, just saying.

00:36:34.190 --> 00:36:35.520
What do you mean?

00:36:35.520 --> 00:36:37.600
I mean explicit vids and pics.

00:36:37.600 --> 00:36:38.710
See for yourself.

00:36:38.710 --> 00:36:41.570
Don’t have it though but everyone says it’s legit.

00:36:41.570 --> 00:36:45.740
These were just rumors; nobody was actually posting any of the celeb photos on STOL.

00:36:45.740 --> 00:36:50.080
These anon sites were so full of lies, jokes, and misinformation that you just really couldn’t

00:36:50.080 --> 00:36:51.100
trust any of it.

00:36:51.100 --> 00:36:56.610
But then on August 31st, 2014 everything changed.

00:36:56.610 --> 00:37:01.230
REPORTERS: There was a massive leak of private celebrity nude pictures of stars such as Jennifer

00:37:01.230 --> 00:37:04.500
Lawrence, Kate Upton, and Anna Kendrick posted online.

00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:11.190
It is what could be the largest breach of private racy celebrity photos in history.

00:37:11.190 --> 00:37:16.049
Pictures of more than a hundred stars, either nude or in provocative positions, they’ve

00:37:16.049 --> 00:37:18.370
started appearing on an image sharing site.

00:37:18.370 --> 00:37:22.990
JACK: The collector was satisfied with what they put together and decided to post it publically.

00:37:22.990 --> 00:37:27.780
They went over to /b/ on 4chan and posted over one hundred nude or mostly nude photos

00:37:27.780 --> 00:37:29.290
of female celebrities.

00:37:29.290 --> 00:37:33.080
The collector also posted their Bitcoin address, urging people that if they liked the nudes

00:37:33.080 --> 00:37:35.380
they can tip him some coin.

00:37:35.380 --> 00:37:37.780
Almost instantly this 4chan post blew up.

00:37:37.780 --> 00:37:42.020
People were amazed at this leak and quickly spread it wherever they could.

00:37:42.020 --> 00:37:46.830
The Kate Upton and Jennifer Lawrence subreddits had a new post with these nude photos up.

00:37:46.830 --> 00:37:50.900
These quickly got upvoted so fast that they both hit the front page of Reddit.

00:37:50.900 --> 00:37:55.920
Before you knew it they were spread all over Reddit, all over the internet; Facebook, Twitter,

00:37:55.920 --> 00:37:57.460
Imgur, you name it.

00:37:57.460 --> 00:37:59.910
People started calling this massive leak of photos The Fappening.

00:37:59.910 --> 00:38:01.660
I’m not going to explain what that means.

00:38:01.660 --> 00:38:03.570
You can guess for yourself.

00:38:03.570 --> 00:38:04.900
But that name stuck.

00:38:04.900 --> 00:38:08.900
Soon there was a subreddit called The Fappening and all the pics were posted there.

00:38:08.900 --> 00:38:13.940
You can imagine the cacophony of people talking about this on every news outlet possible.

00:38:13.940 --> 00:38:19.200
They love talking about celebs so nude celebrities was absolutely going to be talked about on

00:38:19.200 --> 00:38:20.480
the news.

00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:21.940
My favorite was this CNN clip.

00:38:21.940 --> 00:38:26.080
REPORTER1: Do we even know who is this 4chan person or website?

00:38:26.080 --> 00:38:30.140
REPORTER2: He may have been just a system administrator who knew his way around and

00:38:30.140 --> 00:38:31.280
how to hack things.

00:38:31.280 --> 00:38:36.010
JACK: The news articles were often pointing people to The Fappening subreddit as if showing

00:38:36.010 --> 00:38:38.090
people where to find these photos.

00:38:38.090 --> 00:38:43.450
[MUSIC] The Fappening subreddit became the most quickly growing subreddit in Reddit’s

00:38:43.450 --> 00:38:47.320
history; 100,000 subscribers in just twenty-four hours.

00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:53.120
Reddit itself had a major spike in new visitors, like 141 million page views in just one day.

00:38:53.120 --> 00:38:54.460
The subreddit was on fire.

00:38:54.460 --> 00:38:58.200
The Fappening was a crazy phenomenon, breaking Reddit at times.

00:38:58.200 --> 00:39:02.360
But news outlets thought the term The Fappening was disrespectful to the victims and they

00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:04.000
called it Celeb Gate.

00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:07.600
Images kept spreading further all over the internet, reaching everything.

00:39:07.600 --> 00:39:11.300
More were uploaded to Imgur and Instagram and Twitter and Facebook everywhere.

00:39:11.300 --> 00:39:14.610
Jennifer Lawrence seemed to be the poster child of this leak because there were a lot

00:39:14.610 --> 00:39:18.930
of photos of her in it and she was an A-list celebrity and the internet loves her.

00:39:18.930 --> 00:39:22.670
She’s quirky and funny and different than a typical Hollywood star.

00:39:22.670 --> 00:39:27.560
Reddit, the company, seemed to just let The Fappening subreddit happen and the photos

00:39:27.560 --> 00:39:28.760
stay up.

00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:33.600
This wasn’t against their terms of service or rules which is just really weird.

00:39:33.600 --> 00:39:36.400
The subreddit just kept growing in popularity.

00:39:36.400 --> 00:39:41.280
A lot of people were discussing the morality of whether this is okay or not to keep up

00:39:41.280 --> 00:39:42.800
or even look at.

00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:46.610
Some of the people were realizing that some of these photos were of people under eighteen

00:39:46.610 --> 00:39:51.450
which classifies it as child porn which is illegal to post to Reddit, so the site admins

00:39:51.450 --> 00:39:53.380
started taking down those pics.

00:39:53.380 --> 00:39:56.830
Other people were questioning whether some photos were faked or not.

00:39:56.830 --> 00:40:00.710
It might have been a lookalike model or Photoshopped to somehow look like that celebrity.

00:40:00.710 --> 00:40:04.460
[00:40:00] Let’s be clear here; Reddit at the time didn’t have any way to actually

00:40:04.460 --> 00:40:08.560
host pictures so all the pictures that were posted to Reddit were really just links to

00:40:08.560 --> 00:40:13.310
places like Imgur but even while Reddit didn’t host the pictures, people still came to Reddit

00:40:13.310 --> 00:40:15.430
to find the links to the photos.

00:40:15.430 --> 00:40:20.350
It was the go-to place to see the Celeb Gate photos all nicely organized in one spot.

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The media backlash against Reddit got bigger and it seemed morally wrong to keep The Fappening

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up.

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Emergency meetings were being held inside Reddit to figure out what to do.

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While the team at Reddit did not condone or agree with this behavior, there was nothing

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in the law or in their rules that required them to take it down which made the Reddit

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staff really do a lot of soul-searching.

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They really wanted their site to be an area of free speech and believed it’s the users

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who have the responsibility to know what’s right or wrong.

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Reddit didn’t want to come in and try to be the moral or ethics police in this situation

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but they did say they would adhere to any laws.

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Celebrities whose pics got posted began issuing DMCA notices to Reddit and Reddit would acknowledge

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this and take down those posts.

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But still the images were hosted on other image hosting sites and it didn’t take them

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off the internet at all.

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A DMCA takedown would just remove the links on Reddit but the users weren’t happy when

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photos got removed so the users would just resubmit the photo to another image sharing

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site and then post that link to Reddit again.

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Soon it became a battle where the users were trying to post pictures to The Fappening subreddit

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faster than what the moderators were able to remove.

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The mods just couldn’t keep up with it all and it kept spilling back into Reddit, the

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company’s, lap.

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Despite Reddit giving a clear stance on this that they aren’t going to be the moral police,

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users on The Fappening kept breaking the rules on such a massive scale that Reddit had no

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choice.

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A week after it was created, Reddit banned The Fappening.

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The collector person who posted all this to 4chan with their Bitcoin address, yeah, he

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only got about $120 in Bitcoin for all this which is far less than he anticipated and

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it frustrated him.

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He blames others for reposting the photo with their own Bitcoin addresses but this didn’t

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mark the end of Celeb Gate.

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A few weeks later another large dump of nude celebrity photos hit 4chan, then a week after

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that, another big leak.

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This would be known as Celeb Gate 2 and 3.

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I think in Celeb Gate 3 there were pictures of Hulk Hogan’s son.

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Even though Reddit had banned posting these photos the photos still got out and they were

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posted all over the internet in different places.

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At first nobody knew how the photos got leaked.

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There was speculation that there was a vulnerability in the Find My Phone app which allowed hackers

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to gain access to phones.

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Then a lot of fingers got pointed to Apple with maybe a vulnerability in iCloud.

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Kirsten Dunst tweeted saying thank you iCloud; with pizza and poop emoji after it.

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Some celebs denied the authenticity of the photos.

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Hulk Hogan’s son said it wasn’t him.

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Ariana Grande tweeted that the photos weren’t real and her ass is cuter than that.

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A bunch of others denied it, too.

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Most celebs that got caught up in this remained silent to the press and didn’t talk about

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this at all.

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About two months after this, Jennifer Lawrence did talk with Vanity Fair about this.

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You know what?

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I’ll let the daytime talk show host Wendy Williams tell us what was in there.

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WENDY: Anyway, let’s talk about Jennifer Lawrence.

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[CROWD MURMURS] Well, she’s on the cover of Vanity Fair Magazine and inside the magazine

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she’s breaking her silence about the nude hacking scandal.

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I’ll read what she says and then we can talk, okay.

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“Just because I’m a public figure doesn’t mean I asked for this.

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It does not mean that it comes with the territory.

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It’s my body.

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It should be my choice and the fact that it’s not my choice is absolutely disgusting.”

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[APPLAUSE] It’s not your choice.

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It’s in the Cloud and I’ve looked several times so I guess I’m disgusting for looking.

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Clap if you’ve looked at Jennifer Lawrence’s hacking pictures.

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[APPLAUSE] There are a lot of you who are just sitting there.

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You didn’t react to anything.

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[LAUGHTER] Which means I’m gonna assume that you looked but you’re scared ‘cause

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your boss might be watching TV.

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[LAUGHTER] And you don’t want your boss to know you’re a perv like me.

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In my opinion if she would just stop talking about the Cloud and the naked pictures, it’d

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go away.

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We’d forget about it, really.

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[APPLAUSE]

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JACK: Wendy went on to say that Jen should hold her head up with pride because she looks

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good naked and this boosted her career.

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About two years later, Jennifer Lawrence appeared on the Hollywood Reporter podcast and had

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some more to say about this.

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JENNIFER: When the hacking thing happened it was so unbelievably violating that you

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can’t even put into words.

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I think that I’m still actually processing.

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I don’t know.

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I feel like I got gang-banged by the fucking planet.

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There’s not one person in the world that is not capable of seeing these intimate photos

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of me.

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You can just be at a BBQ and somebody could just pull it up on their phone.

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[00:45:00] That was a really impossible thing to process.

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Somebody said something to me about how I was a good role model for girls and I had

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to go into the bathroom and sob because I felt like an imposter, or I felt like I can’t

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believe somebody still feels that way.

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I know that a lot of women were affected and a lot of them reached out to me about suing

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Apple or suing – and none of that was gonna really bring me peace.

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None of that was gonna bring my nude body back to me and Nick, the person that they

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were intended for.

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It wasn’t going to bring any of that back.

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I wasn’t interested in suing everybody.

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I was just interested in healing.

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JACK: The news of Celeb Gate was so big that I’d be shocked if anyone missed this story.

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There’s a lesson in this story; I think we understand technology and privacy so much

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better when we hear about this.

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Just having a nude photo of yourself on your phone that you never share is not actually

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that safe.

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It can get leaked, and it probably will get leaked.

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If you do take these photos, imagine the worst-case scenario happening because it might.

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It’s probably better to not show your face or something.

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Oh, and make sure your laptop and phone cameras are covered when you’re having sex because

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there are a few stories about hackers getting into cameras and recording a person unknowingly.

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When these hacks occurred Apple began working with the FBI to do an investigation.

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I think they only took this case because it was such a high profile story but the FBI

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did create a case on this and took the evidence that Apple provided.

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This led them to the hacker.

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[MUSIC] The FBI found 572 unique iCloud accounts were all accessed by the same IP in the south

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side of Chicago.

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The agents worked with the ISP to determine the IP was registered to Emilio Herrera.

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A raid was conducted on Emilio’s house and they took all his computer equipment to investigate

00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:52.400
further.

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The feds quickly determined Emilio was the hacker who broke into the celebrity accounts.

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But this arrest also uncovered something else.

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The evidence they collected showed that there were a group of hackers involved, not just

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one.

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The FBI started making more arrests.

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In the next few years they arrested five hackers total who were involved in Celeb Gate.

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They all lived in different states and only knew each other through Anon-IB.

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Each of the suspects pled guilty to hacking into iCloud accounts so there was no trial.

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The investigation reports were all sealed so I can’t really see the details of what

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the FBI had on them.

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But what I did see is what I explained earlier which was the hacks were done by targeting

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individual people and then sending phishing e-mails to get into their iCloud logins.

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I think all these hackers had no prior arrest records.

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The first to be sentenced was Ryan.

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He pled guilty to hacking into fifty iCloud accounts and seventy-two Gmail accounts.

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He was sentenced to eighteen months in prison.

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Then there was Edward.

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He said to the judge this entire process reminded me of who I really am and what I should be

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doing with my life.

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He was very cooperative with law enforcement and he had an eleven year old kid.

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He got put in prison for nine months and had to pay $5,700 in restitution which paid for

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a victim’s counseling bill.

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The judge wanted to punish Emilio by convicting him as a sex offender since the crime was

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sexual in nature but Emilio’s lawyer said that no sexual activity actually occurred

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in the crime.

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The judge agreed and took sex offender off.

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He was sentenced to sixteen months in prison.

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George, another hacker, was a referee at a youth soccer club and worked as a bank teller

00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:24.400
and had a Bachelor’s degree.

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He had something like six friends all sending letters to the judge explaining how George

00:48:28.320 --> 00:48:32.490
is such a great member of the community and he regrets what he did.

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This played really well for the judge and only gave George eight months in prison.

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Lastly there was Christopher.

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He pled guilty to sending phishing e-mails and hacking into eighteen iCloud accounts.

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Christopher was a high school teacher and was also found guilty for trying to phish

00:48:48.240 --> 00:48:54.020
his underage sister-in-law, other female teachers at the school, and female students.

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He got the biggest punishment which was thirty-four months in prison.

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But while these hackers pled guilty to hacking into iCloud accounts, none said they shared

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the photos publically.

00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.060
They likely traded it privately to someone else who then posted it to 4chan.

00:49:09.060 --> 00:49:11.840
Whoever shared it publically, we still don’t know.

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I think it’s still an active investigation.

00:49:13.950 --> 00:49:16.760
Maybe if they tracked the Bitcoin they could find them.

00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:20.200
A lot has happened since isanyoneup.com and Celeb Gate.

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First, Reddit changed their rules.

00:49:22.010 --> 00:49:26.359
Six months after closing The Fappening subreddit, Reddit issued the following statement.

00:49:26.359 --> 00:49:30.590
Quote, “Last year we missed a chance to be a leader in social media when it comes

00:49:30.590 --> 00:49:32.790
to protecting your privacy.

00:49:32.790 --> 00:49:35.590
Something we’ve cared deeply about since Reddit’s inception.

00:49:35.590 --> 00:49:39.950
At our recent All Hands company meeting this was something that we all, as a company, decided

00:49:39.950 --> 00:49:41.540
we needed to address.

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So now no matter who you are, if a photo, video, or digital image of you in a state

00:49:45.750 --> 00:49:50.380
of nudity, sexual excitement, or engaged in any sexual conduct is posted or linked to

00:49:50.380 --> 00:49:54.080
on Reddit without your permission, it is prohibited on Reddit.”

00:49:54.080 --> 00:49:55.200
End quote.

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This is a big chance in Reddit’s policy.

00:49:57.050 --> 00:50:01.420
It’s now strictly against the rules to post revenge porn or stolen porn on Reddit. [00:50:00]

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Also the image board Anon-IB was seized by the Dutch police and it was taken offline

00:50:05.300 --> 00:50:08.600
because it kept trying to publish revenge porn, too.

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Some revenge porn victims committed suicide after finding their classmates or friends

00:50:12.210 --> 00:50:14.430
had seen their sexual photos.

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This was particularly hard for LGBT people who have not yet come out and they got their

00:50:19.700 --> 00:50:20.960
pics exposed.

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Once suicides started happening, legislation around revenge porn started shaping up.

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Many countries are now calling it a criminal offense to post sexual photos without a person’s

00:50:30.820 --> 00:50:33.869
consent, in many states in the US now, too.

00:50:33.869 --> 00:50:38.730
It was a long ugly road to recognize the damage revenge porn has on people.

00:50:38.730 --> 00:50:42.160
Now victims have slightly better tools to help resolve it.

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Crazy exes should be aware that there’s punishments for posting it.

00:50:45.140 --> 00:50:50.200
In Texas for example, there’s a Statute 1135 which forbids someone from posting pictures

00:50:50.200 --> 00:50:53.430
of a person’s intimate parts without their consent.

00:50:53.430 --> 00:50:57.840
If you’re found guilty of this you can get up to one year in prison and a $4,000 fine.

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There are a lot of cases where people are being arrested for this.

00:51:01.250 --> 00:51:05.790
Even in Texas, a police officer got arrested for posting revenge porn last year.

00:51:05.790 --> 00:51:09.820
I think it’ll just take some time before it becomes general knowledge that it’s illegal

00:51:09.820 --> 00:51:14.880
in many states to post revenge porn and people will think twice about posting it.

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JACK (OUTRO): [OUTRO MUSIC] You’ve been listening to Darknet Diaries.

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00:51:26.880 --> 00:51:29.400
on what to do at badassarmy.org.

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It gives me goosebumps of joy every time I hear someone recommending the show.

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Keep it up.

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It’s so awesome.

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